Priest Charged With Hiring Hitman to Kill Teen Accuser

[Locke]

It always amazes me, statistically speaking, how many priests are attracted to children.

I mean, isnt this amazingly high in relation to the general population? Did they just troll every sex offender ward for clergy candidates at some point?

And, hey, if you cant have sex at gunpoint, when can you have sex?

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm stealing Sliver's price calculation

Let's figure out how compensation for any job is calculated:

1. Unique qualifications
2. Education
3. Experience
4. Time commitment
5. Responsibility
6. Risk

That's all I can really think of for now. So based on my criteria and applying a possible 10 points for each line item, a hit would break down kind of like this:

1. Unique qualifications

• Not only do I have the mental qualifications, but I have the training in my past on how to snuff a person out of existance using various means. Sure that training was a little over 20 years ago, but the old saying is a knife is a knife, a gun is a gun. For an extra fee, I can put my wood working skills to work in building a SAW movie type of killing device 15/10

2. Education

• Highly educated but not current, I still go out and shoot once in a while, so I know I can hit stuff from a distance. But I would probably be more of a Jason Voorhee's type slow walking killer, not because it looks cool and you can have an internal soundtrack, but because my cardio is terrible and my knees are shot 6/10

3. Experience

• I'm trained, and motivated, and while I have done much killing for real, and besides the fact that I trained for it, I've played plenty of Medal of Honor and Battlefield on my Xbox so I have several thousand hours of imaginary real world experience 10/10
• 4. Time commitment
• Next to none, wear two sets of gloves, and as much clothing as possible to remove the chance of finger printing and DNA matches. Make sure that you collect your shell casings. Stage it like a home invasion, that way you can get some jewlery and electronics which add to your bottom line. When your done walk calmly to your car that you parked about 5 blocks away. Take your weapon apart and dispose of the pieces in as many different places as possible. Overall its a 12 hour crime 10/10
• 5. Responsibility
• I'm not a total nut case, and I'm sure that at one point after I get my money I'm going to wack the guy that hired me just to shut him up. I'm giving it a 10/10.

6. Risk

• Probably a lot, but by preplanning and staying calm, and killing the target with the first shot I can reduce the risk, plus I can always Holmolka the prosecution by rolling on the guy that hired me, demand that I be allowed to defend myself, and poop on the judges bench. I'm sure I'll get the maximum sentence and be out on the streets and for hire after a couple of years in a cottage prison. 10/10 for sure.

So this job would get a 61/60. $5,000.00 is a down payment for a motivated professional like me, like the old Han Solo deal, I want $5,000.00 and another 15 when we reach Alderaan, errr I wack the guy.

For another $1000.00 I'll throw in the VIP package which also comes with a coffee mug and a T-Shirt.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Locke

It always amazes me, statistically speaking, how many priests are attracted to children.

I mean, isnt this amazingly high in relation to the general population? Did they just troll every sex offender ward for clergy candidates at some point?

And, hey, if you cant have sex at gunpoint, when can you have sex?

I think and especially with the older priests it was called running to the cloth. The disturbed, the pedo's and conflicted homosexuals all saw the priest hood as the way to go because they felt that either the church would shelter them, or that with god's help they could control themselves or find a peacefull state of mind.

It was an attractive proposition for some, you also probably had some sick minded people who saw that priests had a lot of interaction with young kids so they joined because it was a target rich environment.

There was never any kind of testing to become a priest, they basically took every one, made them take their vows and sent them off to be educated.

It no surprise that we're seeing these kinds of incidences because Victims don't feel the same kind of pressures to keep quiet as they used to.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Locke

It always amazes me, statistically speaking, how many priests are attracted to children.

I mean, isnt this amazingly high in relation to the general population?

Is it though? I mean it give that impression, but general impressions are usually wildly incorrect with respect to actual statistics.

What percentage of priests are pedophiles? What percentage of people are pedophiles? What percentage of each get reported in the news?

Plus there's the self-selection factor.. a pedophile that wants to offend will seek out places to do so, professions which place them around children.. and pedophiles that don't want to offend are going to seek out something to help them. What better thing for a pedophile than trying to dedicate their whole life to god in the hopes that they will be healed of their affliction? Spend more and more time dedicated to god and the church, increased chance of becoming part of the church organization.

EDIT: Too slow

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Locke

It always amazes me, statistically speaking, how many priests are attracted to children.

I mean, isnt this amazingly high in relation to the general population? Did they just troll every sex offender ward for clergy candidates at some point?

As a former-Catholic-turned-atheist, I'm not apologizing for the Church at all, so don't take the following comments that way.

IIRC, statistically priests are not any more likely to be pedophiles than any other member of society. The Vatican has used this as a defense against criticisms that the Church has a greater problem with priests molesting children than the general public.

That said, should priests be held to a higher standard? They're presented as authority figures on issues of morality and conduct. They're also in a position where they're trusted to spend time with children. If a school teacher was found guilty of such a crime, there are zero-tolerance policies that would see the teacher fired and banned from ever having trust relationship over kids again. With priests, though, the Vatican just transfers them to a different parish and tries to sweep the issue under the rug.

So I don't think it's so much an issue that priests are more likely to be pedophiles, but rather the problem is the hypocrisy of the Church. Then again, when it comes to hypocrisy, it's hard to find a greater offender throughout history than the Vatican, so this is just business as usual.

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Locke

It always amazes me, statistically speaking, how many priests are attracted to children.

I mean, isnt this amazingly high in relation to the general population? Did they just troll every sex offender ward for clergy candidates at some point?

And, hey, if you cant have sex at gunpoint, when can you have sex?

I think that the public are more surprised when a priest is accused/charged/etc. with being a pedophile because of their supposed moral pedestal that they preach from and the position of trust that they hold in their church, community, and in people's perceptions.

Throw in an organization that enables it through ignorance (or worse) and... well... here we are.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Semi-OT, the wife and I recently discovered the Catholic channel on Sirius satellite radio. Since we were both raised in Catholic families, we've found it to be a constant source of amusement. Did you know, according to a commentator we heard last week, that "no group in American history has suffered more persecution than Catholics"? That's an exact, word-for-word quote.

Damn straight! Things like slavery and attempted genocide to name a few are minor compared to a few companies asking their employees to wish people 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas'.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

How much would you charge? I mean assuming you didn't have any kind of moral opposition to it that would make it inconceivable.

To have a chance at 25 year of anal rape.

I charge 50k a year, so 1.25 million bucks, up front in cash.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by Locke

It always amazes me, statistically speaking, how many priests are attracted to children.

I mean, isnt this amazingly high in relation to the general population? Did they just troll every sex offender ward for clergy candidates at some point?

And, hey, if you cant have sex at gunpoint,
when can you have sex?

The problem is rooted in the type of people Catholic priesthood attracts- namely religious people already struggling with these types of problems- as if a life of celibacy in the Priesthood can hide their "sins". Unfortunately, with the exposure these men have with children, it is the worst possible place for them to be.

Unfortunately, this is a fairly controversial theory which people refuse to address, which is why the problem isn't being solved.

[Table 5]

This is the first time that CaptainCrunch has scared me a little.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Table 5

This is the first time that CaptainCrunch has scared me a little.

The funny thing is I have a friend who is identical to him, including similar military background. Of course, CC could in fact be my friend.

[comrade]

Reminds me of the story that led me to start questioning organized religion:

Priest A (married) was sleeping with priest B's wife. Priest B tells him to stop or he'll expose the affair. Priest A tries to put a hit on Priest B. There was video of the priest negotiating the hit with an undercover police officer, where the priest coughed up a few grand to cover expenses and told him to shoot Priest B behind the right ear so he'd know that the hitman did it.

Later it showed Priest A talking to reporters outside the courthouse accusing the police force of entrapment and that god was on his side and he would be vindicated by god and he seemed to have lots of supporters too. This was in Florida I think, by the way.

Ever since then any talk of god, religion, and morals has been met with a healthy amount of skepticism from me.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by comrade

Reminds me of the story that led me to start questioning organized religion:

Priest A (married) was sleeping with priest B's wife. Priest B tells him to stop or he'll expose the affair. Priest A tries to put a hit on Priest B. There was video of the priest negotiating the hit with an undercover police officer, where the priest coughed up a few grand to cover expenses and told him to shoot Priest B behind the right ear so he'd know that the hitman did it.

Later it showed Priest A talking to reporters outside the courthouse accusing the police force of entrapment and that god was on his side and he would be vindicated by god and he seemed to have lots of supporters too. This was in Florida I think, by the way.

Ever since then any talk of god, religion, and morals has been met with a healthy amount of skepticism from me.

That whole god as a character witness only works if you can get him to testify.

[Huntingwhale]

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

But if they weren't priests I highly doubt their employer would be supporting them if they were molesting kids at work by relocating them to a new location with a fresh batch of kids.

They do that for convicted child molesters, or just those that have been accused? I don't know the answer myself, but I suspect that it is the latter, and I would hope that you are not advocating proclaiming someone guilty before they have been proven as such.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Ark2

They do that for convicted child molesters, or just those that have been accused? I don't know the answer myself, but I suspect that it is the latter, and I would hope that you are not advocating proclaiming someone guilty before they have been proven as such.

This is the court of public opinion, not a court of law. It's how we roll.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Ark2

They do that for convicted child molesters, or just those that have been accused? I don't know the answer myself, but I suspect that it is the latter, and I would hope that you are not advocating proclaiming someone guilty before they have been proven as such.

So you think it's okay to relocate alleged pedophiles to somewhere that isn't aware of the allegations against them and allow them to be in a position of authority over a new set of children? Are you really that dense to think that's a good idea?

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

i spilled my drink reading that due to laughter.

Did you clean up the Blood of Chirst and pick up the Chalice once you were done laughing?

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Sliver

This is the court of public opinion, not a court of law. It's how we roll.

The fact that they tried to cover up the allegations and move the priest to another location rather than... you know... report things and take it seriously and protect the alleged victims and stuff like that is pretty damning itself even if the allegations were completely bogus.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

So you think it's okay to relocate alleged pedophiles to somewhere that isn't aware of the allegations against them and allow them to be in a position of authority over a new set of children? Are you really that dense to think that's a good idea?

I think that it's a tricky situation. I think that they should be moved out of their parish if allegations like that are circling around. Moving a priest to a new location and then telling everyone about the allegations surrounding this priest would not accomplish anything. I think that if someone is going to make such allegations, then they should press charges so that a proper investigation can be conducted. If that isn't done, for whatever reason, then that truly is disappointing, but in that case, I don't think that a priest should be thrown to the wolves simply because someone accused him of pedophilia. There are no easy answers here and what you fail to realize here is that if such charges are false, then there is the serious risk of permantently destroying an innocent man's reputation. Quite frankly, I would rather be dead then be a suspected child molester in my community.