Panaroma new doc, UK "British schools Muslim rules"

[theonlywhiteout]

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but Sharia law and Islam has no place in western culture. It's the antitheses of our western values. Want to live in our western societies? Awesome; immigrants is how Canada and the U.S. were built. Just leave your cave dwelling-women hating-backwards religion at home.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but Sharia law and Islam has no place in western culture. It's the antitheses of our western values. Want to live in our western societies? Awesome; immigrants is how Canada and the U.S. were built. Just leave your cave dwelling-women hating-backwards religion at home.

Leave the bigoted nonsense at home, where you'll only make your family dumber. It might spare the rest of us from losing precious brain cells. Muslims have been in North America for over 150 years, funny how their only an issue now.

[theonlywhiteout]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Leave the bigoted nonsense at home, where you'll only make your family dumber. It might spare the rest of us from losing precious brain cells. Muslims have been in North America for over 150 years, funny how their only an issue now.

Oh I'm sorry you must be under the impression I don't equally detest right wing extremist christians like those found in jesus camp. Funny thing is, tho, there's a lot more extremists that read the quran. So right now they're the ones I worry about

[Flabbibulin]

To bring it into the context of Christianity then, it should be pointed out that Old Testament scripture references billybob123 used alluding to God's wrath and judgement are not exactly taught in Christian schools in a literal manner.

And, while I don't want to get into a theological debate, any pre-Christ references to God's wrath and judgment are part of the "old covenant under the law", which was theoretically fulfilled through the sacrifice of Christ- in other words, using them as evidence to the evilness of Judeo-Christian beliefs is flawed.

This is not to suggest that the New Testament does not include many examples of intolerance and God's judgement. I am only saying that OT scripture needs to be looked at in context.

I am saying this as a studier of religion and not as a follower of one.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

To bring it into the context of Christianity then, it should be pointed out that Old Testament scripture references billybob123 used alluding to God's wrath and judgement are not exactly taught in Christian schools in a literal manner.

And, while I don't want to get into a theological debate, any pre-Christ references to God's wrath and judgment are part of the "old covenant under the law", which was theoretically fulfilled through the sacrifice of Christ- in other words, using them as evidence to the evilness of Judeo-Christian beliefs is flawed.

This is not to suggest that the New Testament does not include many examples of intolerance and God's judgement. I am only saying that OT scripture needs to be looked at in context.

I am saying this as a studier of religion and not as a follower of one.

Every religious book has context, they were written for their specific time and place. You compared Judaism and Islam originally, which means the new testament has no bearing on the comparison.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Hard to believe when you make such wide sweeping statements. They all have their flaws, to say one is worse than others is wrong. Especially comparing the Quran and the Old Testement. Both portray an angry vengeful God who encourages killing non believers.

I would argue it is not wrong to point out that one is a more destabilizing force in the world than the others... And is also currently responsible for a lot more acts of human indecency.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

I would argue it is not wrong to point out that one is a more destabilizing force in the world than the others... And is also currently responsible for a lot more acts of human indecency.

Not to open a whole other ball of wax, but given the on going situation in a certain place I would say thats debatable.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Every religious book has context, they were written for their specific time and place. You compared Judaism and Islam originally, which means the new testament has no bearing on the comparison.

yes, I initially pointed out Judaism alone for this very reason- I see it too often that people use the old testament "God's wrath" scriptures as proof that Christianity is intolerant and evil.

Does this mean Judaism is intolerant then because it does not have the attonement of Christ to redeem man from God's wrath? Perhaps, but that doesn't change the fact that Judaism does not typically teach complete intolerance to children.

While billybob did quote Corinthians, my contention was that it was not really a good example of intolerant scripture.

[Julio]

I believe that literalism in any religion can be dangerous. There are a goodly number of people right here in Alberta who figure Revelations is just a future newscast.

[Calgaryborn]

The solution is simple. Immigration in Canada should be based on a point system which leans heavily in favour to countries and religions which have proven to assimulate well in Canadian society. Extensive records should be kept on immigrates to keep track of their interactions with the law, as well as their ability to hold jobs, their health records, ect. That information should be used to determine the best canidates for entry into Canada.

[ynwa03]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I dont understand why the British would allow the Saudi curriculum to be taught in their country. Its not like the Saudis preach a moderate form of Islam.

For starters, the Saudi's have a lot of influence over western countries. But the other thing is that this is not what Islam is about. There is no moderate version of any religion, but what a lot of Wahabi's and other groups openly preach is not Islam but a skewed version of it. My problem is that a lot of western countries are allowing this version of Islam to be openly endorsed and those who actually follow the religion the way its supposed to be followed are called moderates. No one really likes being called a moderate when it comes to religion either you follow your religion correctly or you aren't and thr Saudi's definitely are not.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by ynwa03

For starters, the Saudi's have a lot of influence over western countries. But the other thing is that this is not what Islam is about. There is no moderate version of any religion, but what a lot of Wahabi's and other groups openly preach is not Islam but a skewed version of it. My problem is that a lot of western countries are allowing this version of Islam to be openly endorsed and those who actually follow the religion the way its supposed to be followed are called moderates. No one really likes being called a moderate when it comes to religion either you follow your religion correctly or you aren't and thr Saudi's definitely are not.

If only we could get those alternative fuel supplies soon, then the Wahabi-ists and the family of Al-Saud can just forget about the influence they have over the reset of the western world. Come on nuclear fusion

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The solution is simple. Immigration in Canada should be based on a point system which leans heavily in favour to countries and religions which have proven to assimulate well in Canadian society. Extensive records should be kept on immigrates to keep track of their interactions with the law, as well as their ability to hold jobs, their health records, ect. That information should be used to determine the best canidates for entry into Canada.

Well, problem with that is that the original waves of Western European immigrants didn't do a very good job of assimilating with the then-excisting American culture.

Heck, some 5-6 generations later they still have issues with assimilation.

You're confusing assimilation with homogeneity.

Anyways, Muslims have been inhabiting the Americas for close to 400 years. Of course, for a large portion of that history, they were *cough* "invited guests" *cough*.

I'd rather judge folks by who they are.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The solution is simple. Immigration in Canada should be based on a point system which leans heavily in favour to countries and religions which have proven to assimulate well in Canadian society.

You can't be referring to people who embrace their intolerance such as yourself, can you?

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Well, problem with that is that the original waves of Western European immigrants didn't do a very good job of assimilating with the then-excisting American culture.

Heck, some 5-6 generations later they still have issues with assimilation.

You're confusing assimilation with homogeneity.

Anyways, Muslims have been inhabiting the Americas for close to 400 years. Of course, for a large portion of that history, they were *cough* "invited guests" *cough*.

I'd rather judge folks by who they are.

So says the reigning anti-Christian bigot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by HOZ

So says the reigning anti-Christian bigot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is that so? On one hand, being proclaimed the regent of a particular opinion is somewhat flattering, even by you HOZ.

I think one can be a critic of Christianity without resorting to bigotry. To me, Christians are generally good citizens (I've hashed this out with Cheese before).

I suppose I'm intolerant of the intolerant. Which puts me in good stead. Comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. Democracy owes more to the satirists, skeptics and social critics than any religious leader.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by theonlywhiteout

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but Sharia law and Islam has no place in western culture. It's the antitheses of our western values. Want to live in our western societies? Awesome; immigrants is how Canada and the U.S. were built. Just leave your cave dwelling-women hating-backwards religion at home.

Give me a effin break. Want me to get off your lawn as well?

What a stupid stupid post. My MUSLIM cousins were one of the first people in Saskatchewan and Canada so I think they are just as much Canadian as you and can practice whatever religion they please.

Sharia law sure I agree with you, but you dont want me to practice my religion in MY CANADA in the country I was born in? Sounds like you want to live in a country like Iran. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.