Star Wars in 3D?

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't know, while it was really well written, Thrawn to me was not enough of a villian. He was a brilliant and ruthless Admiral, but he never smacked me of being evil. Half way through the series, I was almost cheering for the guy to bring honor and order to the galaxy.

The way they ended his character was Bobba Fett like.

Adding extra letters to designate clones, oh noes its Luuuke Skywalker and Juurus Cyboth.

I forgot about the extra letters in the clones names, have to re-read the series.

I really liked Thrawn, and totally agree on how you do root for him to a certain extent. An opponent that sizes you up based on the art you like or create yourself.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't know, while it was really well written, Thrawn to me was not enough of a villian. He was a brilliant and ruthless Admiral, but he never smacked me of being evil. Half way through the series, I was almost cheering for the guy to bring honor and order to the galaxy.

The way they ended his character was Bobba Fett like.

Adding extra letters to designate clones, oh noes its Luuuke Skywalker and Juurus Cyboth.

I don't remember getting that feeling in the Thrawn trilogy but I haven't read that trilogy in 15 years and my memory could have been tainted by other books where Zahn included the blue skinned red eyed feller. Thrawn was certainly not a villain in other books he was in. More of a misunderstood good guy.

[CaptainCrunch]

There won't be a episode 7 to 9. The whole story was the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker and he's dead. Unless we see a Anaaakin Skywalker (Thanks a lot Zahn)

The original contents of 7 through 9 are contained in 4-6 including the destruction of the second death star, the death of the emperor.

[MarchHare]

The Phantom Menace

Likes

The lightsabre fight between Jinn, Kenobi and Maul.
The space fight between Naboo and the Trade Federation.
Anything to do with Palpatine, especially that little smile when Padme announces that she's going to return to Naboo to fight.

Really? I agree with you about the sabre duel and Palpatine, but TPM's space battle was weak. Compared to the battles in ANH and RotJ, there was no flow, you never really knew (or cared, for that matter) who had the upper hand, and none of the pilots had any personality. Then the battle was ultimately won entirely by accident as Anakin accidentally flew into space and joined the fight, accidentally crashed his fighter inside the droid control ship, and accidentally fired his torpedoes at the reactor. It felt like a Pink Panther movie, except Inspector Clouseau's incompetence is played for comedic effect and he's supposed to only be capable of solving a case through dumb luck.

That scence also gave us this dialogue gem: "Let's try a spin, that's a good trick!"

[Bigtime]

10-12, Sun Crusher? Although Exar Kun's ghost would be hella sweet.

Just give me a set of movies with nothing but Wedge Antilles and Rogue Squadron kicking ass and taking names.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

10-12, Sun Crusher? Although Exar Kun's ghost would be hella sweet.

Just give me a set of movies with nothing but Wedge Antilles and Rogue Squadron kicking ass and taking names.

Wasn't that the Jedi Academy series.

Zahn was always big on his unstoppable superweapons with the Sun Crusher and the prototype death star both making an appearance.

That series also gave us the truly awful Admiral Daala who was the first woman to be an Admiral in the Imperial Navy and illustrated why it was a truly bad idea thus enforcing inequality in the post emperor empire.

[Bigtime]

Yup that's the series, don't forget that Daala and Tarkin used to knock boots. Some truly dumb stuff in that series, given the choice I'd much rather see the Thrawn trilogy made into films versus the Jedi Academy trilogy.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Wasn't that the Jedi Academy series.

Zahn was always big on his unstoppable superweapons with the Sun Crusher and the prototype death star both making an appearance.

That series also gave us the truly awful Admiral Daala who was the first woman to be an Admiral in the Imperial Navy and illustrated why it was a truly bad idea thus enforcing inequality in the post emperor empire.

Zahn didn't write the Jedi Academy trilogy. That was Kevin J. Anderson. I'm pretty sure that the Sun Crusher was a Kevin J. Anderson thing.

The Outbound Flight was a Zahn creation though. It wasn't so much an unstoppable superweapon, but a gigantic super sized space ship.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Buff

Zahn didn't write the Jedi Academy trilogy. That was Kevin J. Anderson. I'm pretty sure that the Sun Crusher was a Kevin J. Anderson thing.

The Outbound Flight was a Zahn creation though. It wasn't so much an unstoppable superweapon, but a gigantic super sized space ship.

Your right, Anderson is the Super Weapon guy.

He also wrote the two book series where there was a clone of Thrawn.

Or maybe it was Thraawn.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

There won't be a episode 7 to 9. The whole story was the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker and he's dead. Unless we see a Anaaakin Skywalker (Thanks a lot Zahn)

The original contents of 7 through 9 are contained in 4-6 including the destruction of the second death star, the death of the emperor.

That is what I had always believed. A long long time ago in another decade, Lucas mentioned that he realized that his story was going to take 9 movies to tell. It was going to be about the rise and fall and redemption of Anakin, but at some point he realized that Anakin was brought back to the light in Episode 6 and that 7 through 9 would've just been pointless.

There had been speculation that he incorrectly named Episode 4-6 and that he should have named them Episode 7--9, as episodes 1-3 were to be the rise of Anakin, episodes 4-6 were to be the fall of Anakin and the path destruction brought on by Vader, and 7-9 were to be the fall of Vader and redemption of Anakin. Some stuff that gives some value to this theory is Lucas original interview where he mentioned three trilogies, and the fast paced fall of Anakin in episode 3. Episode 3 could have almost been a trilogy in itself.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Your right, Anderson is the Super Weapon guy.

He also wrote the two book series where there was a clone of Thrawn.

Or maybe it was Thraawn.

I thought it Zahn that wrote the two book series of the clone of Thrawn... well actually it was a Thrawn imposter, not a clone.

... or did I misunderstand what you said?

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

10-12, Sun Crusher? Although Exar Kun's ghost would be hella sweet.

Just give me a set of movies with nothing but Wedge Antilles and Rogue Squadron kicking ass and taking names.

A Rogue/Wraith Squadron movie series would be most excellent, and considering how everyone likes action movies...

The 9 books are still a good read today. Isard is one of the better Star Wars baddies imo.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Buff

I thought it Zahn that wrote the two book series of the clone of Thrawn... well actually it was a Thrawn imposter, not a clone.

... or did I misunderstand what you said?

IIRC they found a clone of Thrawn in the basement of the Hand of Thrawn fortress on a timer.

And yeah, they had the whole lame actor playing thrawn thing.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

IIRC they found a clone of Thrawn in the basement of the Hand of Thrawn fortress on a timer.

And yeah, they had the whole lame actor playing thrawn thing.

I've actually forgotten quite a bit about the Hand of Thrawn series. I don't remember the clone... all I really remember is the imposter, and I don't remember much else.

On another note, I get the feeling you and I could discuss Star Wars for days on end.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Buff

That is what I had always believed. A long long time ago in another decade, Lucas mentioned that he realized that his story was going to take 9 movies to tell. It was going to be about the rise and fall and redemption of Anakin, but at some point he realized that Anakin was brought back to the light in Episode 6 and that 7 through 9 would've just been pointless.

There had been speculation that he incorrectly named Episode 4-6 and that he should have named them Episode 7--9, as episodes 1-3 were to be the rise of Anakin, episodes 4-6 were to be the fall of Anakin and the path destruction brought on by Vader, and 7-9 were to be the fall of Vader and redemption of Anakin. Some stuff that gives some value to this theory is Lucas original interview where he mentioned three trilogies, and the fast paced fall of Anakin in episode 3. Episode 3 could have almost been a trilogy in itself.

That was the original concept, and to be honest I would have liked to have seen more pacing in the fall of Anakin.

If you read the Dark Lord Series, Labryth, Revenge of the Sith, Dark Lord. The fall was handled really well. There was outstanding dialogue between Palpatine and Vader. The Obi-Wan Anakin light sabre dialogue really sunk in how dark young Vader had become.

I also enjoyed the series because of the dialogue that Anakin Skywalker had with the Seperatists as he was slaughtering them.

Shu Mai, president and CEO of the Commerce Guild, looked up from her knees, hands clasped before her, tears streaming down her shrivelled cheeks. "We were promised a reward," she gasped. "A h--h--handsome reward--"

"I am your reward," the Sith Lord said. "You don't find me handsome?"

But Lord Sideous promised we'd be left in peace
Vader - "The transmission was garbled he promised you'd be left in peaces"

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Buff

I've actually forgotten quite a bit about the Hand of Thrawn series. I don't remember the clone... all I really remember is the imposter, and I don't remember much else.

On another note, I get the feeling you and I could discuss Star Wars for days on end.

I got caught up when I first saw it in 1977 when I was 10. Its never let me go.

[Igottago]

I am/was a big fan of Star Wars (the originals), and I really hate the franchise now. I hate everything about it, I hate what Lucas has done to it, I hate the die hard fans trying to squeeze every last drop out of nothing, I hate the stupid names of the side stories and characters, I hate episode 1-3, I hate all the iterations of DVD/Blue Ray release, I hate the lunchboxes, I hate the Pez dispensers, I hate the video games (ok, maybe KOTOR was the only worthwhile thing since the original Star Wars), I hate 3D, special editions, collectors editions, Jedi Editions, Ewok Editions. What the franchise really needs is to dig a grave, crawl in, and stay out of sight for a long time.

[Prototype]

If Lucas really wanted to make more money, a Nolan-esk reboot would be awesome. Don't get me wrong, the originals still stand the teat of time, but if there's one franchise I'd love to see do a do-over from frame one, it's this one.

Today's special effects, grittier characters, film it in 3D... Alas, even Lucas has his limits as to what he won't do with the franchise.

[photon]

The only way a reboot would be even remotely good would be if Lucas was dead and everyone he worked with was locked away on Antarctica and everything he ever wrote was launched into the sun.

[CaptainCrunch]

I wouldn't want a reboot of Star Wars. To be honest everyone wants gritty and dark. But people tend to forget that Star Wars and Empire were fairly dark pictures, and the hero's were suppossed to be heros, and not flawed anti-hero's. Star Wars was one of the last movie series where you had clearly deliniated good versus evil, and good had to be good because it made the Empire far darker.

I don't know if todays special effects would really outdo the original special effects. First and foremost the stuff that Lucas did in 77 and in 80 were incredibly special and drove the effects business forward by multiple generations. Second of all, because of the use of models and stop action animation, Star Wars effects shots felt like they had depth. When I watched Avatar, I thought that they were CGI'd to the point of looking phoney. Even up to Revenge of the Sith, I thought that the effects lacked depth.

Mark Hamill was perfect for Luke Skywalker, he played the bright eyed optimistic kid to a high level, I don't know who else would make a good Luke. You can't argue with Ford as Solo, and he was plenty flawed and fairly gritty. The freezing in carbonite scene was one of the best character moment scenes in any movie that I've seen. Carrie Fisher was also great in her role except in Jedi where she was high the whole time, but she wasn't suppossed to be dark, or conflicted or flawed. She was suppossed to be a beacon representing all that was good and decent with a streak of bravery and rebellion.

The original trilogy is the one series that should never ever be rebooted or recast.