Overweight and Obese Children Eat Less Than Their Healthy Weight Peers

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Active people tend to have better metabolisms and can eat more than someone who is inactive. No real surprise there.

Lack of excercise is the bigger issue I think.

No kidding, but there is more to it, not that simple.

Look I don't really care, think what you want.

I lost 35 lbs and regained 35 lbs in 4 months with all things being equal, so I know hormones, glands, stress whatever has allot to do with weight gain/loss.

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by fotze

Ahh the internet, where only other people are fat.

You and reggie are on fire with your drive-bys lately.

[opendoor]

BMR is pretty consistent among people of similar age and size. In other words, fast and slow metabolism is a bit of a myth and plays a relatively minor role in a person's weight.


If you (not directed at anyone in particular) think your friend is eating massively more food than you and not gaining weight while you do, one of several things is happening:

-you're overestimating how much food your friend eats or underestimating how much exercise he gets.
-you're underestimating how many calories you take in yourself (people often ignore how many calories are in drinks) or overestimating how many you burn.
-you or your friend have a medical condition that affects weight.

Genetics play a role, but more on how your body deals with fat. When it comes to actual weight, it really just comes down to calories in - calories out. Obviously there's some variation among people, but the vast majority of the population is quite close to the average BMR given their age and size. Eating and lifestyle habits play a much, much bigger role in a person's weight than genetics or metabolism.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Pinner

No kidding, but there is more to it, not that simple.

Originally Posted by Pinner

Look I don't really care, think what you want.

I lost 35 lbs and regained 35 lbs in 4 months with all things being equal, so I know hormones, glands, stress whatever has allot to do with weight gain/loss.

I don't doubt it. I gain weight easily too if I don't watch very closely what I eat and how much I exercise. My mother was like that too, but my father could eat junk food and drink a 6 pack every night but was very thin... and my sister takes after him in that regard.

I went from 180lb to 230lb very quickly when my field position turned into an office position and after completely cutting off junk food and going to the gym 5-7 times a week, I got down to 210lbs pretty quickly... but if I take any time off and eat too much in a weekend, I can see it on the scale pretty quickly... yet I know many people my age who don't watch these things and are not active, but they never gain weight.

So I agree, there is definitely a genetic component... even an ethnic component. People of some nationalities tend to gain fat easier for some reason. I was reading on a fitness forum a while back about men with a Mediterranean background and how they tend to gain leg and ass fat easier than other groups... I thought that was interesting.

[TheSutterDynasty]

What a terrible study.

[Pinner]

Thats a good point, I remember watching a documentary about northern Europeans gaining belly fat as a survival mechanism from the past. Those who stored fat around their organs survived a cold night or two hunting food, where as the skinny guys died from hypothermia.

[Leon]

Am I the only one who thinks the conclusion is seemingly obvious?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by opendoor

BMR is pretty consistent among people of similar age and size. In other words, fast and slow metabolism is a bit of a myth and plays a relatively minor role in a person's weight.


If you (not directed at anyone in particular) think your friend is eating massively more food than you and not gaining weight while you do, one of several things is happening:

-you're overestimating how much food your friend eats or underestimating how much exercise he gets.
-you're underestimating how many calories you take in yourself (people often ignore how many calories are in drinks) or overestimating how many you burn.
-you or your friend have a medical condition that affects weight.

Genetics play a role, but more on how your body deals with fat. When it comes to actual weight, it really just comes down to calories in - calories out. Obviously there's some variation among people, but the vast majority of the population is quite close to the average BMR given their age and size. Eating and lifestyle habits play a much, much bigger role in a person's weight than genetics or metabolism.

I absolutely disagree.

I think a point could be made on what kind of food you eat, but I've seen with my own eyes people who eat as much food, if not more than I eat, and not gain weight, while I would gain weight.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by Azure

I absolutely disagree.

I think a point could be made on what kind of food you eat, but I've seen with my own eyes people who eat as much food, if not more than I eat, and not gain weight, while I would gain weight.

Why don't you leave that to reliable science instead of unreliable anecdotal evidence.

[TSXCman]

I notice a large difference when I am either being lazy and eating 2 large meals/day
OR
Eating 3 balanced meals with some snacks inbetween (yogurt, nuts, etc)

eating more, balanced, and timed out is definitely healthier

[Jimmy Stang]

I blame wifi in schools.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

I blame wifi in schools.

I blame researchers who have an ultimate goal in mind: To get government to regulate and tax what we eat and drink. These people are the antithesis of Libertarians.

How many medical associations and coalitions have called for banning this or that in the name of supposedly keeping the population healthy.

Obesity is genetic. That's why some people can eat junk all day and stay skinny as a bean pole. It's their metabolism, and chances are that they come from a long line of skinny people.

Also, look in the schools (in Canada). The kids today are NOT that fat.

[Devils'Advocate]

I don't think it's so much genetic as it is learned behaviour.

Both my parents came from poor households where food was scarce.
Once they both got middle class jobs, we started eating out more. A&W on Wednesday, KFC on Friday, and Burger King and Dairy Queen on the weekends.
Not to mention half-moons, caramel cakes and chips on the counters at home.
Both my parents who were skinny in high school quickly became overweight and my brother and I picked up the bad eating habits.
So often when you see a family of overweight people, I don't think "bad genes", I think "parents with bad nutritional habits".

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Base metabolism is an odd thing. I mentioned in another thread about losing weight. I'm trying to get down to 163. I'm at 165. And have been stuck at 165 for a month now. Despite getting up at 4am to do 1hr on the exercise bike and 1hr in the pool each day. That's burning 1,000 calories in exercise each morning. I'm eating about 2,000 calories. I'm thinking that maybe when I was burning fat, I was also burning lean tissue and have destroyed my metabolism? I can't figure out why otherwise I would not be able to lose those last 2 pounds.

Maybe it's the last 12 months of eating 1,500 calories per day and the body adjusted the metabolism to the lower calorie count?

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by bcb

I blame researchers who have an ultimate goal in mind: To get government to regulate and tax what we eat and drink. These people are the antithesis of Libertarians.

How many medical associations and coalitions have called for banning this or that in the name of supposedly keeping the population healthy.

Obesity is genetic. That's why some people can eat junk all day and stay skinny as a bean pole. It's their metabolism, and chances are that they come from a long line of skinny people.

Also, look in the schools (in Canada). The kids today are NOT that fat.

Hmmmm.....is my sarcasmeter broken, or are you Sarah Palin?

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I don't think it's so much genetic as it is learned behaviour.

Both my parents came from poor households where food was scarce.
Once they both got middle class jobs, we started eating out more. A&W on Wednesday, KFC on Friday, and Burger King and Dairy Queen on the weekends.
Not to mention half-moons, caramel cakes and chips on the counters at home.
Both my parents who were skinny in high school quickly became overweight and my brother and I picked up the bad eating habits.
So often when you see a family of overweight people, I don't think "bad genes", I think "parents with bad nutritional habits".

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Base metabolism is an odd thing. I mentioned in another thread about losing weight. I'm trying to get down to 163. I'm at 165. And have been stuck at 165 for a month now. Despite getting up at 4am to do 1hr on the exercise bike and 1hr in the pool each day. That's burning 1,000 calories in exercise each morning. I'm eating about 2,000 calories. I'm thinking that maybe when I was burning fat, I was also burning lean tissue and have destroyed my metabolism? I can't figure out why otherwise I would not be able to lose those last 2 pounds.

Maybe it's the last 12 months of eating 1,500 calories per day and the body adjusted the metabolism to the lower calorie count?

I don't know how tall you are, or if you have other health issues, but 165 for a man is not unhealthy.

Do you really think sacrificing 2 hours per day is worth trying to drop 2 pounds?

I on the other hand could fast for 30 minutes and drop a couple of pounds. That's where the metabolism comes in.

EDIT: I am assuming you are a man

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Hmmmm.....is my sarcasmeter broken, or are you Sarah Palin?

Neither. To sum up my last post in a slightly less controversial way, certain segments of society (medical groups and lobbyists) have become infatuated with the 'obesity crisis'.

I am simply saying that it is my belief that obesity is not the problem it is made out to be. And for those who it is a problem, they should not be denigrated for something they may not be able to control.

I am not trying to be a conspiracy theorist.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by bcb

Neither. To sum up my last post in a slightly less controversial way, certain segments of society (medical groups and lobbyists) have become infatuated with the 'obesity crisis'.

I am simply saying that it is my belief that obesity is not the problem it is made out to be. And for those who it is a problem, they should not be denigrated for something they may not be able to control.

I am not trying to be a conspiracy theorist.

So are you disputing the fact that children and society as a whole has gotten a whole lot fatter over the past 30 years, or are you suggesting that human's genetics have just all of the sudden decided to change radically after thousands of years?

Evolution doesn't happen over decades.

More people are fat because they are overeating and not exercising enough nowadays. FACT

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by bcb

Neither. To sum up my last post in a slightly less controversial way, certain segments of society (medical groups and lobbyists) have become infatuated with the 'obesity crisis'.

I am simply saying that it is my belief that obesity is not the problem it is made out to be. And for those who it is a problem, they should not be denigrated for something they may not be able to control.

You are obviously nowhere near the health and/or exercise field.

I would show you studies of obesity rates, but you probably wouldn't read my post.

Are you fat and feel like blaming something other than yourself?

Anyone can achieve a healthy weight. Unless of course you have an adrenal disease or some such. Does 20% of the population have that excuse?

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Ducay

So are you disputing the fact that children and society as a whole has gotten a whole lot fatter over the past 30 years, or are you suggesting that human's genetics have just all of the sudden decided to change radically after thousands of years?

Evolution doesn't happen over decades.

More people are fat because they are overeating and not exercising enough nowadays. FACT

Thanks for stating that FACT. I hope this thread is still open for debate.

Here's what I said in my last post:

I am simply saying that it is my belief that obesity is not the problem it is made out to be. And for those who it is a problem, they should not be denigrated for something they may not be able to control.

As for your fact about overeating and not exercising enough, if you have a high metabolism, and you overeat and are lazy, you'll probably have high blood pressure, increase your risk of cancer and heart disease but chances are you won't get fat.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

You are obviously nowhere near the health and/or exercise field.

I would show you studies of obesity rates, but you probably wouldn't read my post.

Are you fat and feel like blaming something other than yourself?

Anyone can achieve a healthy weight. Unless of course you have an adrenal disease or some such. Does 20% of the population have that excuse?

No, I am not fat. Although if I were, and my parents and grandparents were, would it really be my fault that I inherited their obesity genes?

Can anyone really achieve a healthy weight? I just responded to someone four posts ago who couldn't drop two pounds despite exercising 2 hours per day.