California's Prop 8 Overturned

[Phaneuf3]

Huzzah! Thank god for activist judges overruling the will of the people.

The next important question: Will fox news use their new catch phrase of "ramming it down the nation's throat" *snicker* while describing the overturning of prop 8?

[Azure]

Means absolutely nothing until the Supreme Court will rule.

[Phaneuf3]

Just read some more of the decision. So apparently "it's icky" wasn't a good enough reason to violate the constitution.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by J pold

When you take a closer look you see that the Mormon Church was largely behind the creation and administration of prop 8. There is a 2010 documentary behind their involvement with the bill.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1484522/

Going to check that at as soon as I can, thanks for the link.

[CaptainCrunch]

I thought Proposition 8 was about Macdonalds in school cafeterias, I completely voted wrong on that one.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Russic

Great news. I hope when my kid is my age he looks down on us for taking so long to get to this point (by "us" i'm referring to North America).

When I was a youth, old enough to understand what gay meant, gay marriage wasn't even a thought in the collective consciousness. I believe by the time your children are old enough to decide such matters some new social problem will be part of the current debate, that we haven't even considered yet and us old foggies will be dragged kicking and screaming to the new understanding.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Azure

Means absolutely nothing until the Supreme Court will rule.

It means the law is overturned. So, unless the Judge decides to put a hold on the ruling until it has been appealed, the law is no longer in effect. The Supreme Court doesn't even have to accept the case, in which case the law is overturned. I think there's a solid chance they don't accept the case because conservatives on the SC can see the writing on the wall. Prop 8 and the like do not stand a chance. They are a clear violation of the Equal Protection and Due Process clause of the of 14th amendment. Kennedy will side with the liberal faction and that's the magical five votes.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

It means the law is overturned. So, unless the Judge decides to put a hold on the ruling until it has been appealed, the law is no longer in effect. The Supreme Court doesn't even have to accept the case, in which case the law is overturned. I think there's a solid chance they don't accept the case because conservatives on the SC can see the writing on the wall. Prop 8 and the like do not stand a chance. They are a clear violation of the Equal Protection and Due Process clause of the of 14th amendment. Kennedy will side with the liberal faction and that's the magical five votes.

You're not forgetting the appeal to the 9th Circuit which could uphold Prop. 8 and then the USSCT could deny cert and the law would be settled opposite of what was found today, right? From your post you seem to be forgetting a layer.

Kennedy is too much of a wild card, I wouldn't be so sure on how he would side. That's a lot of power in 1 justice's hands.

Edit: also, proponents have/will file an injunction to prevent marriages until the case is heard by the 9th Circuit... and another one while it is awaiting cert.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

You're not forgetting the appeal to the 9th Circuit which could uphold Prop. 8 and then the USSCT could deny cert and the law would be settled opposite of what was found today, right? From your post you seem to be forgetting a layer.

Kennedy is too much of a wild card, I wouldn't be so sure on how he would side. That's a lot of power in 1 justice's hands.

Edit: also, proponents have/will file an injunction to prevent marriages until the case is heard by the 9th Circuit... and another one while it is awaiting cert.

Kinda what I mean.

So the appeal would basically put a halt to overturning the law?

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Azure

Kinda what I mean.

So the appeal would basically put a halt to overturning the law?

From what I've read, proponents of Prop. 8 preemptively filed an application to have the decision stayed until the 9th Circuit could hear it. Basically to prevent gay marriages from occurring during the period between this decision being released and the law being settled (either by the Supreme Court or by denial of cert). So I would guess that they would have to file some sort of injunction to prevent this from occurring in the interim.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

But wait....he's a Republican....doesn't that make him automatically against gay marraige and downright evil??

He is a RHINO, those are the worst Republicans.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Fabulous. Absolutely fabulous news!

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Barnes

The way Prop 8 was worded was confusing and I wonder how many people voted Yes by mistake.

'Are you not in favour of gay marriage?'

Yes.. er.. No? What?

It was pretty straightforward. Quebec could have been a nation on a much more confusing question.

Do you agree that Québec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Québec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?

[Finner]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

That's great, but doesn't majority rule in a democracy?

Doesn't really make sense to allow the majority to vote on the rights of the minority.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

He is a RHINO, those are the worst Republicans.

So you're saying that in order to be considered conservative or republican, you must subscribe to every value put forth by even the nuttiest members of the party?

[Antithesis]

That's super!

[holden]

Do people opposed to this really think they have a hope in hell of stopping it? Is it realistic to believe that standing against gay marriage and using all means to prevent it is anything more than just delaying the inevitable?

F*** intolerance and religion, especially the Mormons for what they pulled on prop 8.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

That's great, but doesn't majority rule in a democracy?

No. In fact, the US constitution (and those of other nations which drew inspiration from it) was specifically designed to protect minorities from the tyranny of the majority.

[HeartsOfFire]

Tyranny of the Majority

3 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

[Shazam]