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Old 07-23-2010, 12:29 PM   #21
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Love him or hate him (and I've gone back and forth between these two camps), the guy was entertaining as hell. I used to love his interviews and quotes.

The most exciting thing Harper's done is wear the god-awful cowboy outfit, and that was before he became PM.
Harper was good when he played the piano and sang that Beatles tune.

And I think politicians should be measured on policy as opposed to charisma. If I end up voting for someone else during the next election, it will be because I don't agree with a policy issue not because he is a poor interview.
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Old 07-23-2010, 12:38 PM   #22
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I hate Chretien. Of course, I pretty much hate all politicians, but I hate Chretien a little more than most. He's the guy who stole the Princess Pat's from Calgary out of nothing but sheer vindictiveness to punish Calgary for spawning Preston Manning and the Reform Party. For that Chretien distinguished himself as more despicable than your average run of the mill rat politician.
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Harper was good when he played the piano and sang that Beatles tune.

And I think politicians should be measured on policy as opposed to charisma. If I end up voting for someone else during the next election, it will be because I don't agree with a policy issue not because he is a poor interview.
Good point on the piano playing. Completely forgot about that!

I agree with you selecting leaders on policy, but damn if Chretien didn't have me laughing while watching the news.
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Old 07-23-2010, 12:48 PM   #24
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Yeah. It was a time of suckage when we weren't at war and the economy was at an all time high.
and the dollar was under 60 cents.
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Oil was $12, transfer payments to the provinces were being slashed, unemployment rate was over 10% consistently, internet porn was not yet ubiquitous, women had huge bushes. Yeah, good times for everyone.
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Love him or hate him he had personality, unlike Harper who I find to be robotic. I Like how he did the security for himself in that picture haha! that pic makes me laugh every time.
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Really? How so?
Yet Harper is allowed to spend our money and give bags of it to FORD before the auto crisis even started. I dont understand... They're politicians, they are all crooks.
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It's just an auto-response at this point, but whenever I see Chretien the word "scumbag" always pops into my head....
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One of the greats! He never pretended to be someone he was not. He never played the intellectual game, and was not superficial. Comming from a family of 19 likely made him into the fiesty street fighting leader that he became. A true underdog who loved to fight but knew when a fight didn't make sense. Bush found that out. "My tactic is not to fake. It's easy to put some mascara over the body. But I want the people to know who I am." Jean Chretien. He was a man who never left the street that he lived on.
Yeah except for his whole yarn of fiction where he talked about sitting and talking with a homeless man on a regular basis, you know to tug on our heart strings and build up his image as a caring common man, only to later admit that he lied about the whole thing and hadn't talked to anyone homeless since his days in the opposition.

Lets make no mistake, Chretien pretended to be what was the most convienient at the time. He hadn't been an underdog since his teenage years, he was a bully and a habitual liar and a complete and utter fake.

He left the street for luxury a long time ago and like every other politician used his influence to enrich his buddies and friends.

He was and is a shady backstabber who thought nothing of destroying his own political party to gain a measure of victory over Paul Martin, then continued to backstab Ignatief by pushing Bob Rae's agenda to be leader behind the Liberal leaders back.

There is nothing to like about Chretien, the man who was willing to risk lives and blow money to prove a political point and show how tough he is the helicopter cancellation scandal.

Chretien is a man of the people all right, in that he thinks that people should be used like paving asphault to satisfy himself.

Sorry guys, but while I had no trouble with other Liberal Leaders in the past, Chretien and Trudeau elicit a angry defense mechanism in me.
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Love him or hate him he had personality, unlike Harper who I find to be robotic. I Like how he did the security for himself in that picture haha! that pic makes me laugh every time.
I liked him at the Olympics. Didn't seem too robotic cheering on all the athletes.
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I liked him at the Olympics. Didn't seem too robotic cheering on all the athletes.
Neither did Jack Layton.
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and the dollar was under 60 cents.
Well you can thank Clinton for that. But Bush changed all that for us pretty quickly.

Bush wasn't all bad. hehe
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Even as someone who's a hawkish person with a right wing leaning I can comfortably say that Bush might not have been all bad, he was just plain bad.
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Harper was good when he played the piano and sang that Beatles tune.

And I think politicians should be measured on policy as opposed to charisma. If I end up voting for someone else during the next election, it will be because I don't agree with a policy issue not because he is a poor interview.
If Harper was prime minister when 9-11 hit it would have been guaranteed that we would be in Iraq as part of the 'coalition'.
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That guy should have pressed charges, filed a lawsuit against Chretien.
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That guy should have pressed charges, filed a lawsuit against Chretien.

If he would have pressed charges, Chretien would have employed his finishing move, the 'lip of justice'
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Ugh. This was our leader for a long, long, time.

Choking that punk was one of few things he ever did that I thought was awesome.
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Well, I don't get a lot of Canadian coverage down in the states, so I don't really see him in "action:. In general though, he just seems awkward and stiff....one of those guys who would probably rather be working than hobnobbing. Anytime he tries to act like a fun guy, it just comes across as uncomfortable...for all of us.
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Really? How so?
Well, if Chretien was responsible for all of the great and wonderful things some people (Bertuzzied et al) credit him for, then credit him for Adscam, too. He wears that one as beloved leader.

If CBC gave one tenth of a rat's hairy behind about that as they did Mulroney-Schreiber, they'd probably have a full mini-series of 5th Estate episodes to air and a criminal trial underway.
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