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Old 06-16-2010, 08:56 PM   #21
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I didn't say I hate 3D gaming, I hate 3D in general. Partially because I have bad eye sight so the stupid glasses don't work, 2ndly because it was meant for 8 year old kids.

I don't want 3D, I want virtual reality.
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Old 06-16-2010, 09:26 PM   #22
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Even if that's all you use it for, it still isn't that bad.

Use Wii Homebrew to add in the ability to play media from the network or an external hard drive, or almost any ROM for any older console and it really earns it spot beside my TV.

On the topic of the 3DS, I would love to check it out but the reality is I would only ever use it on the bus or train and in that time I would much rather be watching tv or movies on my ipod.
My DS is only used for playing emulators and homebrew or watching movies and reading ebooks or listening to music instead of real games as well.
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I can't wait for 3D to fully mature to really enhance games. When done correctly, it could make a game super amazing. Dodging objects, attacking spiders and all sorts of wonderful video game moments shooting out of the TV sounds fun to me.

Oh yeah, I can't stand motion control.
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I didn't say I hate 3D gaming, I hate 3D in general. Partially because I have bad eye sight so the stupid glasses don't work, 2ndly because it was meant for 8 year old kids.

I don't want 3D, I want virtual reality.
Pfft... 8-year old kids? Haha, okay then. The real world is 3D, if you want to maximize immersion into realistic games and movies then 3D is a part of that. if your virtual reality isn't 3D, it's not very real, is it? What do you mean the glasses don't work? So you hate 3D because you're one of about 10% of the population who doesn't even see the real world in 3D anyways? That's like a deaf person hating sound, or a blind person hating sight. If there's ever been a time for a "haters gonna hate" pic, this seems to be it.

Or do you mean the glasses don't fit over your glasses? Because all the current versions are designed to fit over glasses. I wear glasses, and yeah the 3D glasses work better with contacts, but they also work over glasses.
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I can't wait for 3D to fully mature to really enhance games. When done correctly, it could make a game super amazing. Dodging objects, attacking spiders and all sorts of wonderful video game moments shooting out of the TV sounds fun to me.
For some games, 3D is pretty much already fully mature (Batman AA, Metro 2033, Just Cause 2, Resident Evil 5, Battlefield BC 2, Avatar were all designed for flawless 3D, at least when using nVidia's system). It is super amazing, but with good 3D the depth is usually going into the TV rather than coming out of it. (As a general rule, nothing that touches the edge of the screen should ever be in front of the screen - which usually means the frontmost part of the image is at screen depth.)

By the way... my offer to do a 3D demo for anyone who's interested still stands, just fire me a PM.
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By the way... my offer to do a 3D demo for anyone who's interested still stands, just fire me a PM.
Is this an invitation into your bedroom?

I hope ATI's 3D comes out soon but I don't fancy buying a 120Hz TV/monitor
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Is this an invitation into your bedroom?

I hope ATI's 3D comes out soon but I don't fancy buying a 120Hz TV/monitor
Not bedroom, living room.

3D is available for ATI (iz3d or Tridef drivers... iz3d is currently better I think) but you still need a fancy TV/monitor. Even if ATI puts out new hardware you'll need that. Unless you're talking about something completely crazy I've never heard of?

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Pfft... 8-year old kids? Haha, okay then. The real world is 3D, if you want to maximize immersion into realistic games and movies then 3D is a part of that. if your virtual reality isn't 3D, it's not very real, is it? What do you mean the glasses don't work? So you hate 3D because you're one of about 10% of the population who doesn't even see the real world in 3D anyways? That's like a deaf person hating sound, or a blind person hating sight. If there's ever been a time for a "haters gonna hate" pic, this seems to be it.

Or do you mean the glasses don't fit over your glasses? Because all the current versions are designed to fit over glasses. I wear glasses, and yeah the 3D glasses work better with contacts, but they also work over glasses.
For some games, 3D is pretty much already fully mature (Batman AA, Metro 2033, Just Cause 2, Resident Evil 5, Battlefield BC 2, Avatar were all designed for flawless 3D, at least when using nVidia's system). It is super amazing, but with good 3D the depth is usually going into the TV rather than coming out of it. (As a general rule, nothing that touches the edge of the screen should ever be in front of the screen - which usually means the frontmost part of the image is at screen depth.)

By the way... my offer to do a 3D demo for anyone who's interested still stands, just fire me a PM.
Sorry, I just don't have the hard-on for 3D that I guess everyone else does. My opinion will never deviate from what it is now, a gimmick developed for children.
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Sorry, I just don't have the hard-on for 3D that I guess everyone else does. My opinion will never deviate from what it is now, a gimmick developed for children.
Maybe your attitude will change when you are all grown up.

People see in 3D (unless you only have one eye). Depth perception in our media is the next step in realism and immersion and interactivity due to the added informational feedback. I don't know why you think 3D is a gimmick for children, it was always marketed at adults also since the days of stereograms and anaglyph movies.
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My opinion will never deviate from what it is now, a gimmick developed for children.
So your going to stick to your uninformed opinion because of closed-mindedness? How childish.
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He was probably 4 years old when VR Troopers was around. Man, those 90s, everything was about "Virtual Reality" back then. Too bad we never ended up in that world where we are flying around inside computer grids.

Even in mainstream movies


NOW THAT'S REAL VR! Michael Douglas says so!

Too bad VR never happened. Internet addicts would be much more fit if they had to actually walk around to open files and look at things.

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So your going to stick to your uninformed opinion because of closed-mindedness? How childish.
I think the two of you need to get a room, and bring you're 3D with you.

I think convertibles are for d-bags and are ruin a vehicle. But I guess my opinion is just close-minded and childish.

It's like talking to James Cameron and the bosses who financed his movie.
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I can't wait for 3D to fully mature to really enhance games. When done correctly, it could make a game super amazing. Dodging objects, attacking spiders and all sorts of wonderful video game moments shooting out of the TV sounds fun to me.

Oh yeah, I can't stand motion control.
You do realize that in order to use 3D like you are saying you will need to have a good motion control system right?
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You do realize that in order to use 3D like you are saying you will need to have a good motion control system right?
You can dodge without motion control... as in your character dodges.
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You can dodge without motion control... as in your character dodges.
True, but is that really a huge break through?

It wouldn't change anything about the actual game play but instead just make the display a bit better. It's like getting super excited to play a game on your new IPS monitor. Sure it will probably be better, but it is nothing to wet your pants over.

3D will never truly take off in the gaming world without a fully compatible motion control system of some type. As it has been pointed out in this thread, people see in 3D so displays will need to be 3D in order to provide the most realistic experience. Same line of thinking goes for movement, because people don't dodge things with their thumbs.

3D will exist without motion control for sure, you can see it in many of these new advances, but it will only be a gimmick with a short life span. In my opinion, the next generation console that will be the most successful will be the one that merges the 2 in the best way.
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I have no interest in the 3D fad or virtual reality, I remember when virtual reality headsets and VirtualBoy were going to be the hot ticket and then so many people started puking or having a seizure it just didn't fly.

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True, but is that really a huge break through?

It wouldn't change anything about the actual game play but instead just make the display a bit better. It's like getting super excited to play a game on your new IPS monitor. Sure it will probably be better, but it is nothing to wet your pants over.

3D will never truly take off in the gaming world without a fully compatible motion control system of some type. As it has been pointed out in this thread, people see in 3D so displays will need to be 3D in order to provide the most realistic experience. Same line of thinking goes for movement, because people don't dodge things with their thumbs.

3D will exist without motion control for sure, you can see it in many of these new advances, but it will only be a gimmick with a short life span. In my opinion, the next generation console that will be the most successful will be the one that merges the 2 in the best way.
I don't see this connection you are talking about. 3D is plenty of fun without motion control. Motion control is just one aspect that can further increase realism but having Z depth on the screen adds a lot of informational feedback to the gamer already even through conventional inputs. Unless we can start running around in every direction inside a giant ball, I don't see motion control getting out of it's gimmick status for awhile.
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