"Fox News North": 24-Hour Right-Leaning Network In the Works for Canada

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

However, right-leaning channels are saturating the Canadian market with only the CBC to the centre-left.

The CBC is already fallen off the left wing and is plummeting to earth. With the exception of 6 hours on Saturday nights, CBC programming is irrelevant, unwatchable and a waste of taxpayers' money.

Furthermore, why should a right wing news network has to advertise itself as an 'editorial network'? In that case, maybe it's time the Canadian Press and the Parliametary Press Gallery do the same.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

So besides Azure, who else in Canada would watch this crap? other than for a laugh? hehe

I would watch the station. I hate the fact that all the news in Canada is left of center. Although I would prefer a balanced commentary and a neutral news source I'm convinced none exist. Without internet message boards most would never be challenged to look critically at their own world view.

CBC radio to me is equal to Fox radio for their extreme bias. Unfortunately CBC radio has government funded access to the airways across Canada.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I would watch the station.

Yah but, you were way too obvious to mention.

[CaramonLS]

...but I thought Fox News was "Fair and Balanced", why is this article calling them conservative???

[Day Tripper]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

...but I thought Fox News was "Fair and Balanced", why is this article calling them conservative???

Usually if you have to put some desirable thing into your name or tagline, it means you're anything but that. Fox News: "Fair and Balanced", "Democratic" People's Republic of China, City of "Champions", etc.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Day Tripper

Usually if you have to put some desirable thing into your name or tagline, it means you're anything but that. Fox News: "Fair and Balanced", "Democratic" People's Republic of China, City of "Champions", etc.

Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Democratic Republic of Germany

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by troutman

I warned of this in the lib-ndp merger thread. If we had two parties and Canadian equivalents of Fox and MSNBC, this country could become deeply divided like the US.

Really well said.....Should be interesting to see who the anchors are.

I read on another site that Ezra Lavent is being couted for a position.

I wonder if Alberta's Dave Rutherford will be involved. You don't get more right wing than Dave in Canada.

Should be interesting. Not trying to be sexist or racist, but the station will need a woman and some minorities to appeal to the Toronto crowd if they want to try and achieve that.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Bownesian

Have you read any of the CBC comment threads recently? Have you ever listened to the difference between the average caller on CBC Radio's Cross Country Checkup and those who call Rutherford's show on QR77?

I've spent a bunch of time with both sides of the political spectrum and the division between my rural Alberta rancher/farmer family and my social worker aunt and her family couldn't be deeper. I realize that every spectrum of opinions will have extreme ends but it seems to me that the poles are already getting more entrenched and more intolerant of the other side.

It's sad but I think it's a consequence of mass and social media and the momentum is already there for a transformation where the loudest voices that are heard will be the equivalent of the Tea Party on one hand and anarchist anti-globalization demonstrators on the other hand.

We're not as deeply divided as the US is right now. It is totally polarized there. There is no discourse, only political jingoism.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Should be interesting. Not trying to be sexist or racist, but the station will need a woman and some minorities to appeal to the Toronto crowd if they want to try and achieve that.

Krista Erickson leaves CBC and is rumoured to be on her way to the new Quebecor station. Story and pic is here.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1603372/

We're not as deeply divided as the US is right now. It is totally polarized there. There is no discourse, only political jingoism.

I don't think I would agree with that to a large degree.

About 40% of the electorate would rarely if ever vote Tory and one-quarter would rarely if ever vote Liberal or NDP.

There's about one-third of Canadians in there who could be convinced to vote one way or the other. They represent the real prize.

It seems like a regional thing.

In the USA, it's about 40% for each of the Republicans and Democrats, never voting for the other side. About 20% to one-third could be convinced to change sides. Even Obama's "landslide" wasn't exactly epic.

In Canada, we've seen both the Liberals and Tories wiped out once in a generation as a result of epic scandals but it's still a pretty rare event. Generally, people are pretty entrenched.

As a sidenote, an amusing story in the Washington Post today notes Hillary Clinton is now consistently about 10% to 15% ahead of Obama in approval ratings.

Cowperson

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Krista Erickson leaves CBC and is rumoured to be on her way to the new Quebecor station. Story and pic is here.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1603372/

We're not as deeply divided as the US is right now. It is totally polarized there. There is no discourse, only political jingoism.

I don't think I would agree with that to a large degree.

About 40% of the electorate would rarely if ever vote Tory and one-quarter would rarely if ever vote Liberal or NDP.

There's about one-third of Canadians in there who could be convinced to vote one way or the other. They represent the real prize.

It seems like a regional thing.

In the USA, it's about 40% for each of the Republicans and Democrats, never voting for the other side. About 20% to one-third could be convinced to change sides. Even Obama's "landslide" wasn't exactly epic.

In Canada, we've seen both the Liberals and Tories wiped out once in a generation as a result of epic scandals but it's still a pretty rare event. Generally, people are pretty entrenched.

As a sidenote, an amusing story in the Washington Post today notes Hillary Clinton is now consistently about 10% to 15% ahead of Obama in approval ratings.

Cowperson

I'm not talking about voting patterns. I'm talking about entrenched hostility.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by troutman

I'm not talking about voting patterns. I'm talking about entrenched hostility.

In my experience . . . . . same difference.

Cowperson

[mykalberta]

It would take along time for Canada to get where the US is.

I think to get to entrenched hostility you would first need to get to entrenched unity which is a place where Canada has never and likely will never be. We just dont have the population density or Federal framework to become like that. The fact that Alberta and BC have to sign some pact so that workers will be accepted in either province should be truth enough in that.

And honestly after years and years of TO centric everything (I am not complaining they do have more people) I tend to dround out alot of eastern news noise that I hear so long as it doesnt affect me.

The only issue of recent memory in Canada that has kind of pissed me off is where a Quebec truck driver got off a ticket because it wasnt printed in French, just because the government of Canada is bilingual doesnt mean every province should have to be IMO. But that was a minor issue.

My only fear with a channel like this is that it might highlight some of the more extremist conservative viewpoints that the Conservative party knows they cant win an election on and yet those people are an important part of the fundraising process. And what is marginally ok in rural Alberta, most definately is not in Toronto where all the media gets produced, reprinted, and repackaged.

This channel at the moment would only harm the conservative movement in Canada, not help it because if the NDP and Libs ever did merge, it would mean perpetual losses for the Conservatives - and nothing would be a bigger motivation for the grassroots of those two parties to merge than having a "fox news north".

Also - FYI - Canada is boring, and I think the channel (even though I would subscribe) would be a complete snore fest for the most part. Where as with FNC; Oreily, Hannity, and Beck are if anything at least interesting to watch on a nightly basis.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

This channel at the moment would only harm the conservative movement in Canada, not help it because if the NDP and Libs ever did merge, it would mean perpetual losses for the Conservatives - and nothing would be a bigger motivation for the grassroots of those two parties to merge than having a "fox news north".

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There have been many analysis of late suggesting the shrill commentators on Fox News - as opposed to their regular news folk - are actually a hindrance rather than a help to the Republicans these days.

I think that's probably true.

And I'm not seeing how "Ed" on MSNBC is helping Democrats any.

A merger of the Liberals and NDP does nothing but help the Tories in my opinion.

Also - FYI - Canada is boring,

No . . . . we're actually not boring.

If anything, particularly after the Olympics, we're getting hipper by the hour, including the nut-crunching French Canadian girl on Chuck the other day. And it's getting that way because our hundred year long bout of inferiority is giving way to something new . . . . we just don't give a crap what people think anymore, witness the complete lack of angst at the same Olympics over the American medal count.

and I think the channel (even though I would subscribe) would be a complete snore fest for the most part. Where as with FNC; Oreily, Hannity, and Beck are if anything at least interesting to watch on a nightly basis

Well, I guess you have to get your 'excitement' where you can.

I'm not seeing why Canadians would be different than Americans in a natural propensity to gravitate to the loudest, rudest, most obnoxious and outrageous bags of wind on the air.

Witness the success of Don Cherry.

We're all human, no matter what flag we wrap around ourselves.

Cowperson

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

There have been many analysis of late suggesting the shrill commentators on Fox News - as opposed to their regular news folk - are actually a hindrance rather than a help to the Republicans these days.

I think that's probably true.

And I'm not seeing how "Ed" on MSNBC is helping Democrats any.

A merger of the Liberals and NDP does nothing but help the Tories in my opinion.



No . . . . we're actually not boring.

If anything, particularly after the Olympics, we're getting hipper by the hour, including the nut-crunching French Canadian girl on Chuck the other day. And it's getting that way because our hundred year long bout of inferiority is giving way to something new . . . . we just don't give a crap what people think anymore, witness the complete lack of angst at the same Olympics over the American medal count.



Well, I guess you have to get your 'excitement' where you can.

I'm not seeing why Canadians would be different than Americans in a natural propensity to gravitate to the loudest, rudest, most obnoxious and outrageous bags of wind on the air.

Witness the success of Don Cherry.

We're all human, no matter what flag we wrap around ourselves.

Cowperson

I guess boring is in the eye of the beholder, we arent a power in world politics so there goes half the news stories the US covers, conservative ideals differ greatly depending on what part of the country you are from. A Liberal in Alberta is a conservative in Ontario, an NDP from Victoria is communist party material in Alberta.

I just dont see a national conservative leaning channel to very interesting. I guess we will see, unless they start commenting on US stories with a Canadian angle - wouldnt that be exciting

The difference with Don Cherry is he is actually insightful unlike the rest of the crap that covers hockey. He says things we are all thinking but that none of the other talking heads will ever touch. His "windbag" nature is an add on to his hockey commentary, not the other way around.

Unless some people are a fan of Glen Healy saying "Philly better watch out on those line changes, there have been 17 too many men on the ice penalties called in these playoffs and 3 have resulted in game winners". That is useless information to anyone who knows the game of hockey and that is the classic John Madden type stuff that exists on both network sans Cherry IMO.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I guess boring is in the eye of the beholder, we arent a power in world politics so there goes half the news stories the US covers, conservative ideals differ greatly depending on what part of the country you are from. A Liberal in Alberta is a conservative in Ontario, an NDP from Victoria is communist party material in Alberta.

I just dont see a national conservative leaning channel to very interesting. I guess we will see, unless they start commenting on US stories with a Canadian angle - wouldnt that be exciting

The difference with Don Cherry is he is actually insightful unlike the rest of the crap that covers hockey. He says things we are all thinking but that none of the other talking heads will ever touch. His "windbag" nature is an add on to his hockey commentary, not the other way around.

Unless some people are a fan of Glen Healy saying "Philly better watch out on those line changes, there have been 17 too many men on the ice penalties called in these playoffs and 3 have resulted in game winners". That is useless information to anyone who knows the game of hockey and that is the classic John Madden type stuff that exists on both network sans Cherry IMO.

Well, the good news is if Quebecor follows the FOX model then all the hottest women anchors in the land will be concentrated in one spot with unprecedented shots of their short skirts with legs that go on forever.

That too is a FOX trademark, moreso than any other network.

Don Cherry has rarely said anything insightful for the last 15 years of his 30 year reign of terror. He's cornered the "quaint crazy uncle" trademark.

we arent a power in world politics so there goes half the news stories the US covers, conservative ideals differ greatly depending on what part of the country you are from. A Liberal in Alberta is a conservative in Ontario, an NDP from Victoria is communist party material in Alberta.

This isn't necessarily all about politics you know. There's that nasty thing called "The Culture War" apparently going on. I think you'll get the news pretty well straight-up. It's the "columnists" or opinion meisters that provide the entertainment. And the long legs.

I just dont see a national conservative leaning channel to very interesting.

It is if you feel that message isn't out there right now.

As I said in my first post in this thread, this is really about a business identifying and exploiting what it feels is an under-developed market. It has a lot less to do about politics. FOX has been extremely successful in finding and exploiting the niche and, as some observors have noted, FOX News owner Rupert Murdoch seems more interested in the money than the politics of it since he does seem to own some left-leaning publications in various corners of the world as well.

The business model relies on human nature seeking out sources of information to which we are already pre-disposed to agree with, thus making ourselves feel smarter. It's a warm blanket in a cold landscape.

And MSNBC, on the verge of death a year ago, made a deliberate decision to lean left in a virtual copycat of FOX. And they're doing better because of it.

The shrillness cannot work, the business cannot work, unless the audience is there and already pre-disposed to accept it.

Cowperson

[troutman]

A letter to the Calgary Herald, July 22, 1010:

Our Canadian media cover what the mainstream American media dish out and that is a left-wing view. My husband and I had to search for unbiased coverage, so we turned to Fox News. We watch two to three hours of it each weekday. I have found out about Obama and his cronies in the White House. It is frightening. He has surrounded himself with left-wing radicals who openly condone violence. Obama says he will do one thing and then does the exact opposite. I have found this out for myself because I search for the truth, not just listen to what someone on the tube tells me.

Elaine Galbraith, Calgary

The last sentence is mind-boggling. The rest is just depressing.

[Bertuzzied]

^ hahahahahahahahaha

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by troutman

A letter to the Calgary Herald, July 22, 1010:

Our Canadian media cover what the mainstream American media dish out and that is a left-wing view. My husband and I had to search for unbiased coverage, so we turned to Fox News. We watch two to three hours of it each weekday. I have found out about Obama and his cronies in the White House. It is frightening. He has surrounded himself with left-wing radicals who openly condone violence. Obama says he will do one thing and then does the exact opposite. I have found this out for myself because I search for the truth, not just listen to what someone on the tube tells me.

Elaine Galbraith, Calgary

The last sentence is mind-boggling. The rest is just depressing.

She's got a point though. Did you know Obama was planning on bringing in martial law? I saw someone post a hard-hitting report about it and link to it on Facebook. That's not something you're going to find in most American mainstream media. You have to search for that kind of truth yourself.

Edit: Added a link to help those seeking truth find what they are looking for: http://www.urlesque.com/2010/07/21/o...ial-law-onion/

[CaptainCrunch]

The fun thing to do is to watch multiple news services, and then throw in those crazy conspiracy websites.

Then late one night you sit down to watch a movie like "They Live" and your overtired brain thinks is a documentary.

[Phaneuf3]

OT: So where does everyone get their news?

Content: http://english.aljazeera.net/