06-02-2010, 05:10 PM
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I think he can get some less Sympathy...
Guys gets randomly picked out and tortured for no reason = Sympathy
Guy smokes thousands of dollars in drugs and fails to pay his dealer and tortured = Less Sympathy
Edit: All speculation. Most sympathy goes to his young daughter. Regardless of why it happened
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06-02-2010, 05:22 PM
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Had an idea!
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I don't think it really matters what he did(outside of rape, murder or molesting little kids)....people don't deserve to get tortured.
Unlike some of y'all that are obviously evil at heart, I don't support torture.
Carry on.
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06-02-2010, 05:42 PM
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#23
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CP's Fraser Crane
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I never said I support it either.
I just said its harder to feel sorry for them.
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06-02-2010, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by stang
I never said I support it either.
I just said its harder to feel sorry for them.
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You've seen some hard-ass s*** if you find it hard to feel sorry for a torture victim.
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06-02-2010, 05:48 PM
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I don't condone torture in any way, shape, or form, but you get on the wrong side of the Hells Angels and life isn't going to be sunshine and kittens for you.
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06-02-2010, 05:51 PM
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#26
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And people want proof there is no god. Sorry, but this is just sickening to see.
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If there was a god and indeed he loves all. Why would he let this stuff happen?
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06-02-2010, 05:53 PM
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I dont care what he did, thats no excuse for torturing another human being.
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06-02-2010, 05:53 PM
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If there was a god and indeed he loves all. Why would he let this stuff happen?
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Good God (Good Math, for those that swing the other way), do you really need to bring this up here? Seriously? You're an expert at beating dead horses.
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06-02-2010, 05:54 PM
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If there was a god and indeed he loves all. Why would he let this stuff happen?
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Because it is part of god's pla.... Bwaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha Sorry, man. Couldn't keep a straight face.
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06-02-2010, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by puckluck
Just because something "sort of happens" when you don't pay up doesn't mean it was right or the guy should get any less sympathy for being tortured by drug dealers.
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Look, its not that I dont feel bad for the guy. But its like feeling sorry for gang members who gets shot. You start getting involved with people like that and things go awry you're going to get burned.
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06-02-2010, 06:10 PM
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Because it is part of god's pla.... Bwaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha Sorry, man. Couldn't keep a straight face.
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Christian perspective: God always gives us a choice to do what's right or do whats wrong (ie steal/torture etc.) and he allows us to choose because it shows him who his true followers are, and it shows God believes in us in humans to choose the right thing when given a choice, and many other reasons. If you're going to bash a religion at least know what you're talking about.
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06-02-2010, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheerio
Christian perspective: God always gives us a choice to do what's right or do whats wrong (ie steal/torture etc.) and he allows us to choose because it shows him who his true followers are, and it shows God believes in us in humans to choose the right thing when given a choice, and many other reasons. If you're going to bash a religion at least know what you're talking about.
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What choice did the victim make to show "god" he was true follower?
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06-02-2010, 06:35 PM
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And yet another thread disintegrates into an argument over religion. We've got a few posters here who really need to give the whole anti-religion thing a rest; or at least try and discuss their views in more appropriate places.
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06-02-2010, 06:42 PM
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And yet another thread disintegrates into an argument over religion. We've got a few posters here who really need to give the whole anti-religion thing a rest; or at least try and discuss their views in more appropriate places.
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The irony being they think religious people are fanatical about their beliefs.
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06-02-2010, 07:02 PM
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Good God (Good Math, for those that swing the other way), do you really need to bring this up here? Seriously? You're an expert at beating dead horses.
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Science damn you.
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06-02-2010, 07:42 PM
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Science damn you.
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06-02-2010, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by puckluck
So what? I don't think anyone deserves this kind of torture, except for child molestors. They can rot in hell.
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Don't forget litterbugs.
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06-02-2010, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft
You've seen some hard-ass s*** if you find it hard to feel sorry for a torture victim.
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I guess to some the reason why people are tortured matter, and some think that its a bad thing no matter what.
The reasons matter - the video paints him as some sort of helpless victim who deserves some ordained sainthood.
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06-02-2010, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mykalberta
I guess to some the reason why people are tortured matter, and some think that its a bad thing no matter what.
The reasons matter - the video paints him as some sort of helpless victim who deserves some ordained sainthood.
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You know, the irony of your viewpoint is that there actually IS a school of thought that says the reasons for torture matter. But in general, they construct a hypothetical "ticking time-bomb" scenario to justify torture, not one where "the Hell's Angels kind of didn't like you."
Sorry, but this time relativism has no place. The reasons don't matter. Torture isn't somehow "slightly more okay" if the victim wasn't a saint. If it were, we'd live in a terrifying moral universe.
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06-02-2010, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by burn_this_city
Look, its not that I dont feel bad for the guy. But its like feeling sorry for gang members who gets shot. You start getting involved with people like that and things go awry you're going to get burned.
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Getting shot and being tortured are two different things though. I know if I was being tortured, I'd beg to be shot.
I feel no sympathy for gang bangers getting shot because chances are they have shot someone in their life.
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