Officer stabbed downtown

[Byrns]

Anyone still think cops shouldn't taze a guy with a knife?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Byrns

Anyone still think cops shouldn't taze a guy with a knife?

It depends on the situation.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by flameswin

It depends on the situation.

You are right - sometimes they should just shoot them.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Byrns

Anyone still think cops shouldn't taze a guy with a knife?

Of course not. They're at a police station, you'd think the cops have enough training to dis-arm a crazed man with a melee weapon. Not to mention there's probably at least a hundred of them!

They obviously can't though, because they're just overweight and lazy.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Of course not. They're at a police station, you'd think the cops have enough training to dis-arm a crazed man with a melee weapon. Not to mention there's probably at least a hundred of them!

They obviously can't though, because they're just overweight and lazy.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Of course not. They're at a police station, you'd think the cops have enough training to dis-arm a crazed man with a melee weapon. Not to mention there's probably at least a hundred of them!

They obviously can't though, because they're just overweight and lazy.

I don't know if you are kidding or not...I have taken a few martial arts and I doubt I would do anything but run from someone with a knife. They are very hard to deal with, even with nearly ten years of training behind me. In other words, even with a lifetime of training, it is not recommended to disarm a crazy guy with a knife, unless of course you have already put three bullets into their chest.

[amorak]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Of course not. They're at a police station, you'd think the cops have enough training to dis-arm a crazed man with a melee weapon. Not to mention there's probably at least a hundred of them!

They obviously can't though, because they're just overweight and lazy.

I can't wait until a jerk like you needs the help of the overweight and lazy.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Regorium

They obviously can't though, because they're just overweight and lazy.

Biggest problem with today's cops is their training and background, the older sly vets may be too fat to chase someone down on foot but at least they can still twist someone in half in hand-to-hand combat. The cops of yesterday knew how to fight and take care of themselves, nowadays these wimpy new recruits who never knew how too fight in the first place get 2-3 weeks of so called martial arts and they think their gods gift to MMA, they usually find out the hard way what street fighting is all about.

I guess that's why they invented the taser.

[hockeycop]

Originally Posted by T@T

Biggest problem with today's cops is their training and background, the older sly vets may be too fat to chase someone down on foot but at least they can still twist someone in half in hand-to-hand combat. The cops of yesterday knew how to fight and take care of themselves, nowadays these wimpy new recruits who never knew how too fight in the first place get 2-3 weeks of so called martial arts and they think their gods gift to MMA, they usually find out the hard way what street fighting is all about.

I guess that's why they invented the taser.

The 2 Police Officers that were injured today were the so called "older sly vets" who can "still twist someone in half in hand-to-hand combat"... They are now in hospital...

The training for Police has moved away from using force to attempting to de-escalate situations. The use of force component is designed to minimize any injuries. Instead of dog piling a guy who would end up with a bunch of busted bones (resulting in civil liberties groups crying foul and scaring liberals), they now use other tactics which are designed to minimize contact and risks of injuries (like the taser (which results in civil liberties groups crying foul and scaring liberals)).

Next time you're in trouble, forget the police and call a crackhead... Afterall, they know street fighting.

[puckluck]

Cop is now in stable condition.

http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgar...age_rss=159371

At approximately 10:30 a.m., today, Tuesday, June 1, 2010, police responded to reports of a stabbing at the John J. Bowlen Building, 620 7 Ave. S.W. Upon arrival, it was learned that a civilian witness to an Alberta Serious Incident Response Team (ASIRT) investigation had attended the ASIRT office for an interview.

Shortly after being escorted into an interview room by a plainclothes RCMP member assigned to ASIRT, the witness, a 30-year-old man, turned violent and attacked the officer, stabbing him multiple times.

Other ASIRT members heard the commotion and rushed to intervene, taking the suspect into custody and immediately rendering assistance to the wounded officer. EMS was immediately notified and the officer was transported to hospital in life-threatening condition. His condition has since been upgraded to stable.

One of the intervening officers, a Calgary Police Service member who is assigned to ASIRT, sustained a knife wound during the arrest. He was treated at the scene.

The offender, who is known to police, was also taken to hospital with undetermined injuries sustained during the arrest.

As this is early in the investigation, no further details are available at this time.

Duty Inspector Vic Trickett will be available to verbalize this media release at 12:45 p.m., today, Tuesday, June 1, 2010, outside of the John J. Bowlen Building, 620 7 Ave. S.W.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Of course not. They're at a police station, you'd think the cops have enough training to dis-arm a crazed man with a melee weapon. Not to mention there's probably at least a hundred of them!

They obviously can't though, because they're just overweight and lazy.

I hate to sound brutal, but this is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

First and foremost the interview rooms aren't huge, the guy with the knife had the element of surprise. so the hundred cops is worthless. sure they can rush him but he's going to stick more then one or at least slash more then one. The idea for the cops is not to expose themselves to the knife if possible.

Second hollywood is so far wrong about knife combat. Chances are if you rush the guy, he's not going to be standing there with the knife held away from him. The first instinct for a person with a knife either to slash across their body, or plunge the knife straight forward to establish a defense.

Third, if you do get inside on a guy with a knife, the next action by the guy with the knife is to jab sideways in, which means you get stabbed, and unlike hollywood where the hero grimaces and slowly pulls the knife out, the human bodies first instinct is to retreat from the injury, which means that you open range for a second slashing attack, or if the knife user is aggressive he can step in and stab.

The best tip when facing a guy with a knife is to shoot him center mass if you have a gun. Period. you stay out of slashing or stabbing range, and you taze or shoot the . Or you pick up the largest object near you, and use it to defend the center of your body.

It doesn't matter if your in tremendous shape, if your not armed with anything, or your surprised, the guy with the knife has a massive advantage, moreso if the knife user is aggressive or knows what he's about.

If there are two of you there, then you might have the inadvertent buddy system, where your buddy does something stupid and gets stabbed and while the knife holder is trying to pull the knife out you hit him with a car.

[Regorium]

Sigh. I had a long post making fun of the fact that people can't see sarcasm or use context on the internet. But at the risk of derailing this relatively serious thread, I'll just stop by and say I was clearly sarcastic due to the fact that those exact arguments popped up in previous taser threads. I hope people reading the responses as well as my post thinking I was serious realize how ridiculous they sounded when they railed on cops using the taser.

Originally Posted by Regorium

Of course not. They're at a police station, you'd think the cops have enough training to dis-arm a crazed man with a melee weapon. Not to mention there's probably at least a hundred of them!

They obviously can't though, because they're just overweight and lazy.

For the record, this is ASIRT, not the CPS. They are not at a police station. They are located in a very small office in the old youth court building. There probably wasn't a whole lot of people around.

Police training is head and shoulders what is was when the old sly vets did their training. What has changed is the atmosphere surrounding police and the use of force. But that's a whole other topic.

[Ducay]

Best Part: Because CPS, RCMP, and ASIRT were involved, apparently EPS will be handling the investigation!

So keep an eye out for these bad boys cruising around the downtown looking for clues:

[Resolute 14]

If it helps, Regorium, I picked up on the sarcasm. That was just perfectly over the top.

As far as this incident goes, apparently this moron was upset with how the investigation into his being shot was going? Brilliant solution, dude. I suspect the file on his shooting will accidentally get lost.

Originally Posted by Ducay

Best Part: Because CPS, RCMP, and ASIRT were involved, apparently EPS will be handling the investigation!

So keep an eye out for these bad boys cruising around the downtown looking for clues:

It's funny you mention that. I was wondering who was going to investigate this...

[hockeycop]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Sigh. I had a long post making fun of the fact that people can't see sarcasm or use context on the internet. But at the risk of derailing this relatively serious thread, I'll just stop by and say I was clearly sarcastic due to the fact that those exact arguments popped up in previous taser threads. I hope people reading the responses as well as my post thinking I was serious realize how ridiculous they sounded when they railed on cops using the taser.

Sorry man. I hear that arguement a lot when idiots are being serious. So, when I hear that, my blood boils a bit.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

It's funny you mention that. I was wondering who was going to investigate this...

My understanding is that the EPS routinely investigates incidents involving the CPS and vice versa.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Sigh. I had a long post making fun of the fact that people can't see sarcasm or use context on the internet. But at the risk of derailing this relatively serious thread, I'll just stop by and say I was clearly sarcastic due to the fact that those exact arguments popped up in previous taser threads. I hope people reading the responses as well as my post thinking I was serious realize how ridiculous they sounded when they railed on cops using the taser.

You expected people to see sarcasm in your post? I don't even think Einstein could have seen a hint of sarcasm in your post.