Canadian DMCA to be introduced in June

[FanIn80]

With all due respect to everyone who's posted about it, I think the blank media levy is the least of our concerns right now. We all know it's not going to be reversed... the most that will happen, is it will just be turned into some other tax.

I think there are bigger fish to fry right now.

[SebC]

C-61 was a farce... any bill that would have made it illegal to remove the Sony RootKit (DRM) from your computer is farce.

Legally protecting DRM means consumers have no more fair use rights, as DRM interferes with those rights.

And also, C-61s damages are way out of line. Rip a DRMed CD? $300,000! Rip your collection? Well now you're in the millions.

[REDVAN]

I still wonder if it's the ripping that is illegal, or the downloading, or both?

[gottabekd]

Relevant:

[photon]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

I still wonder if it's the ripping that is illegal, or the downloading, or both?

The ripping would be illegal as well, the US wants countries to have laws like their DMCA which is against opening digital locks and no provisions for fair dealing (like ripping your CD or DVD for example).

If this becomes law, https://www.ipredator.se/?lang=en is a suggested solution Encrypt everything to a VPN outside your jurisdiction, your ISP has no idea what it is going over your connection then.

[Methanolic]

This day has been looming long.

I'm just Happy I was able to obtain all seasons and episodes of "News Radio".

I could watch that show forever, and I will.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by SebC

C-61 was a farce... any bill that would have made it illegal to remove the Sony RootKit (DRM) from your computer is farce.

Legally protecting DRM means consumers have no more fair use rights, as DRM interferes with those rights.

And also, C-61s damages are way out of line. Rip a DRMed CD? $300,000! Rip your collection? Well now you're in the millions.

Isn't Fair Use an American thing?

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Isn't Fair Use an American thing?

It is referred to as "fair dealing" in Canada. Enjoy it while it lasts.

[Azure]

Even if this bill does get passed, what if the ISPs refuse to hand over private information of their customers and actually take this thing to court?

I mean, its one thing Shaw reporting child porn. But its a whole other thing RELEASING information once this law gets passed. You'd have to think that at some point our privacy would come into effect.

Because the only way someone could figure out who is illegally doing all this stuff once its illegal would be by constantly getting ISPs to pass on what SHOULD be private information.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

It is referred to as "fair dealing" in Canada. Enjoy it while it lasts.

I'm curious if the cops bust down my door in July and found *GASP* mp3s on my computer... What's the likelihood they'll care that they were ripped from my CD collection while it was still legal? What level of proof do you think they'll require to believe you?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Azure

Even if this bill does get passed, what if the ISPs refuse to hand over private information of their customers and actually take this thing to court?

I mean, its one thing Shaw reporting child porn. But its a whole other thing RELEASING information once this law gets passed. You'd have to think that at some point our privacy would come into effect.

Because the only way someone could figure out who is illegally doing all this stuff once its illegal would be by constantly getting ISPs to pass on what SHOULD be private information.

That's why we have a judicial system.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

I'm curious if the cops bust down my door in July and found *GASP* mp3s on my computer... What's the likelihood they'll care that they were ripped from my CD collection while it was still legal? What level of proof do you think they'll require to believe you?

And how would they go about proving that the mp3s were actually ripped from CDs you bought, or if you bought them from iTunes?

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

I'm curious if the cops bust down my door in July and found *GASP* mp3s on my computer... What's the likelihood they'll care that they were ripped from my CD collection while it was still legal? What level of proof do you think they'll require to believe you?

That's (probably quite literally), the million dollar question. It wouldn't be the cops, per se, but the record companies lodging a massive lawsuit that you wouldn't have the resources to defend properly.

As someone else mentioned, the level of cooperation the ISPs are required to provide is another question, because that's primarily how the record/movie companies will find out about downloaders.

What about the guy who rips his own DVD? How do they find out about him?

Either way, the penalties are totally disproportionate to the action, especially for those who legally obtain their entertainment. Maybe the entertainment industry should utilize technology as part of a new business model, instead of resisting it to prop up their failing one.

I'd love to be able to spend $5 and stream a movie to my PS3. Not available in Canada because the content providers can't get their act together. The alternative: be a big, bad pirate and be personally blamed for the downfall of the movie industry. And soon I can put my life savings on the line.

OK - rant over.

[Shazam]

Media companies have been putting watermarks into recordings, they put up their own torrents, etc...

[Russic]

So if this passes would we be more likely to get more streaming options like the States has, or is Canada's craptastic access to streaming media not related to our relaxed piracy laws? I've never been able to figure out the two are related at all, or if it's more of a can-con kind of thing.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Media companies have been putting watermarks into recordings, they put up their own torrents, etc...

Which is why you don't download from sources you don't know about.....

Axxo used to be popular, until a bunch of fake accounts appeared.

[Azure]

Another thing you could do is email your ISP and ask them if they would comply with handing out personal information? Or if they would respect the users privacy.

Put them on the spot.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Azure

Which is why you don't download from sources you don't know about.....

Axxo used to be popular, until a bunch of fake accounts appeared.

Well that's all and good for me, but there's a lot of stoopid people that use torrents.

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Russic

So if this passes would we be more likely to get more streaming options like the States has, or is Canada's craptastic access to streaming media not related to our relaxed piracy laws? I've never been able to figure out the two are related at all, or if it's more of a can-con kind of thing.

Our limited selection of streaming TV options is almost completely to do with the fact that the rights were sold to a Canadian provider (CTV, for example), and they don't have the wherewithal to get together and create something like Hulu for Canada (or partner with Hulu).

It has a lot more to do with distribution rights (and those that own those rights maintaining the status quo) than anything else, even though CanCon and the CRTC get a lot of flak for it.

Movies are a bit trickier. There have been rumours of Netflix being available on the PS3 in Canada for a while now, but it has never materialized. Apple TV and Xbox (if I am not mistaken) allow you to rent movies and stream them to your TV, so I'm not sure what the holdup is in getting Netflix on the PS3 in Canada. They've had it in the US for a while now.

[Russic]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

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Movies are a bit trickier. There have been rumours of Netflix being available on the PS3 in Canada for a while now, but it has never materialized. Apple TV and Xbox (if I am not mistaken) allow you to rent movies and stream them to your TV, so I'm not sure what the holdup is in getting Netflix on the PS3 in Canada. They've had it in the US for a while now.

Exactly, I don't understand why Apple can do it but nobody else can. Even then though, there are curious differences between the Canadian and American iTunes. Not as bad as it used to be mind you, but if you want to buy or rent a digital version of the movie Up, you have no option to do so in Canada.