Ahmadinejad suggests Sept 11 was an inside job

[icecube]

Personally I believe you are being willfully ignorant if absolutely no suspicions have arose in you after watching a documentary like loose change, zeitgeist, 9/11 in plane sight etc. etc. etc. or read any of the scores of books out there on the subject.

There's a ton of evidence to suggest that the official story isn't all there is to it. The truth movement whether right or wrong, sane or insane is growing by the day, not shrinking.

[transplant99]

Personally I believe you are being willfully ignorant if absolutely no suspicions have arose in you after watching a documentary like loose change, zeitgeist, 9/11 in plane sight etc etc etc

Then I am willfully ignorant...because i have seen just about every single one of their points debunked since. Scientifically.

And again, I go back to my above post...if there was ANY conspiracy in this thing....most assuredly someone would have come forward by now and made themselves wealthy beyond all their dreams. Unless of course "truthers" want me to suspend the one common axiom in all things about human beings...somehow this group of thousands are beyond greed and desiring fame?

[icecube]

That's the whole point. Not everything has been debunked scientifically. There's even members of congress that believe the 9/11 commission report was a joke. All anyone is asking is for a thorough investigation into the abnormalities of the official story.

What about the stock market puts and calls that were way beyond normal in the days leading up to the event. That's one of dozens of strange coincidences. They all haven't been explained. For you to suggest that is not being entirely truthful.

[transplant99]

One of many explanations...

But concerns about the airline industry had been growing for some time, and had grown worse in the days before the attack. On Wednesday, September 5, a report by Reuters - which is widely read by market professionals - said that industry experts were predicting "a further deterioration" in the airline industry's financial performance. Market pessimism increased two days later when the AMR Corporation, the parent of American and Trans World Airlines, announced that its losses for the second half of the year would be greater than forecast.

In response, brokerage firms cut their ratings for AMR and other airlines. Hotel analysts, realizing that fewer travellers meant fewer overnight stays, followed suit. The short positions and volume of put options rose sharply across the travel industry - which has been cited repeatedly in news reports as possible evidence of illegal trading.
American and United were hit particularly hard. "The two airline companies that are the most closely related are American and United," said Paul Foster, a market strategist with BeyondTheBull.com, a market information firm. "I don't believe this has anything to do with the terrorists."

http://www.hinduonnet.com/2001/10/01...s/06010006.htm

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I posted because ResAlien wanted me to "shed some light on the situation".....just calm down.

I'm not going to engage in a massive 9/11 discussion again.....because it always boils down to people insulting me with gems such as;
-I think the earth is flat
-I am close pals with Tower
-I wear a tin foil hat
-I dont believe in the moon landing
-I believe in lizard people
-I am evil/hateful and I choke puppies

Soooooooooo yeah........we won't get into it.

They make those claims because you have posted absurd things such as wanting Israel to get bombed and destroyed and basically stating Israel would deserve it. Then you hide from the thread. If you can't defend your posts, then why bother posting?

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Mikey, why do you bother posting? You don't respond to people's questions and you have an absurd hateful view of things.

He was asked directly to contribute his thoughts. And frankly, his post was pretty level-headed; Ackmadinijad is a clown and his comments change nothing.

[FlamesAddiction]

So, we're supposed to believe that an administration full of folly like the Bush one, was somehow capable of a conspiracy of this magnitude? I won't give Bush that much credit.

I think it's true that 9/11 was convenient in that it gave the Bush administration a lot of support to pursue an agenda that otherwise would have been very difficult to and still get a 2nd term... but there is no way it was an inside job. At the very worst, maybe they the government was too passive and should have been able to stop it.

[dissentowner]

I have a hard time believing any countries government would cause a tragedy like that just to further their own plans...except maybe North Korea.

[Flames in 07]

Lanny? Is that you? Who knew you had so much time to post on Calpuck with a job like that!

[bcb]

Originally Posted by icecube

Personally I believe you are being willfully ignorant if absolutely no suspicions have arose in you after watching a documentary like loose change, zeitgeist, 9/11 in plane sight etc. etc. etc. or read any of the scores of books out there on the subject.

There's a ton of evidence to suggest that the official story isn't all there is to it. The truth movement whether right or wrong, sane or insane is growing by the day, not shrinking.

I watched Loose Change (a production by a 16 years old with too much time on his hands) and then I read a 20,000 word, second by second debunk of 'Loose Change'

I'll stick to my guns and assume the most logical theory is the most correct. If someone can provide tangible evidence to the contrary, tangible meaning, not produced by a 16 year old, set to creepy music, then I'll listen.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by bcb

I watched Loose Change (a production by a 16 years old with too much time on his hands) and then I read a 20,000 word, second by second debunk of 'Loose Change'

I'll stick to my guns and assume the most logical theory is the most correct. If someone can provide tangible evidence to the contrary, tangible meaning, not produced by a 16 year old, set to creepy music, then I'll listen.

Loose change is a nice little movie that stretches lies further then Roseaanne stretches a pair of preteen girl sized panties.

But he did finally become the film maker that he always wanted to be.

Its funny, because the people that believe that 9/11 was just what it was a terrorist attack by misguided hateful people have probably looked at Loose Change and the other conspiracy theory fringe stuff as well as the debunking articles in popular mechanics and other works.

But people the completely believe that 9/11 was some insane government false flag information tend to be single sourced in their research.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I posted because ResAlien wanted me to "shed some light on the situation".....just calm down.

I'm not going to engage in a massive 9/11 discussion again.....because it always boils down to people insulting me with gems such as;
-I think the earth is flat
-I am close pals with Tower
-I wear a tin foil hat
-I dont believe in the moon landing
-I believe in lizard people
-I am evil/hateful and I choke puppies

Soooooooooo yeah........we won't get into it.

Yeah, but you actually do believe all those things.

[PIMking]

I wish someone would inside job this idiot.

[Netskot]

Don't be so quick to dismiss it just because he says it is so; ignore this idiot. His motives behind thinking this are different than others.

But when you have a leaseholder of a building admitting that one of the towers was a controlled demolition the day off the attacks, how could you not at least be skeptical about this issue.

and Loose Change does make many solid arguments for it being an inside job. The plan that was shot down in PA, for example.

[Netskot]

Originally Posted by bcb

I watched Loose Change (a production by a 16 years old with too much time on his hands) and then I read a 20,000 word, second by second debunk of 'Loose Change'

I'll stick to my guns and assume the most logical theory is the most correct. If someone can provide tangible evidence to the contrary, tangible meaning, not produced by a 16 year old, set to creepy music, then I'll listen.

Avery was 22 when he made the movie. Where did you get 16 from?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Netskot

Don't be so quick to dismiss it just because he says it is so; ignore this idiot. His motives behind thinking this are different than others.

But when you have a leaseholder of a building admitting that one of the towers was a controlled demolition the day off the attacks, how could you not at least be skeptical about this issue.

and Loose Change does make many solid arguments for it being an inside job. The plan that was shot down in PA, for example.

Are you talking about the "Pull it" comment?

and I forget because its been a while since I've watch Loose change, but the plan shot down in PA?

[VladtheImpaler]

It's a great, great thing all these idiots are here to entertain us... as I've really been missing out on my "conspiracy" needs since X-Files wrapped up...

[Netskot]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Are you talking about the "Pull it" comment?

and I forget because its been a while since I've watch Loose change, but the plan shot down in PA?

Yes to both.

If I remember correctly, none of the bodies were recovered from that flight.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by icecube

That's the whole point. Not everything has been debunked scientifically. There's even members of congress that believe the 9/11 commission report was a joke. All anyone is asking is for a thorough investigation into the abnormalities of the official story.

What about the stock market puts and calls that were way beyond normal in the days leading up to the event. That's one of dozens of strange coincidences. They all haven't been explained. For you to suggest that is not being entirely truthful.

You are never going to get a report that covers every single aspect, nuance and coincidence of 9/11. This is an impossible task as 9/11 was a massive and complex event. There will always be unanswered questions, small mistakes and details over looked. However what you can get is a report that will cover all the important and relevant aspects of 9/11 and produce a logical, evidence based and cohesive report that is internally consistent and done by experts in their respective fields.

What you will get from the conspiracy theorists is cherry picking, gross misinformation, lies and coincidences. The 9/11 conspiracy is the most disjointed theory ever. It's based solely on bad information, coincidences, and small inconsistencies. None of that is solid enough to make a case for anything. Of course the 9/11 commission isn't perfect but the truthers theory is a card board cut out easily pushed over by simple facts and even simpler logic.

Coincidences happen. It would against all odds if they didn't. But simply combining coincidences is not evidence of any conspiracy.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Netskot

Yes to both.

Controlled demolition experts reject the notion that "pull it" is a term used in building implosions.
The only context that "pull" has been used in building demolition is for small buildings (a few stories tall), where construction crews attach long cables to pre-weaken a structure and literally pull it down with bulldozers and other equipment.

"Pull" is also used by firefighters in reference to "pulling firefighters out of a building", because the situation is too dangerous. It is in this context that Silverstein used the term "pull it".

His spokesperson, Dara McQuillan, said that by "it", Silverstein was referring to the contigent of firefighters in WTC 7.

FDNY interviews available on the New York Times website also shed light on the use of "pull" in firefighting on 9/11, and help address the question of whether firefighters were in WTC 7 in the afternoon.

FDNY Captain Ray Goldback:
"I'm going to guess it was after 3:00...we walked all the way back down to Vesey Street. There was a big discussion going on at that point about pulling all of our units out of 7 World Trade Center. Chief Nigro didn't feel it was worth taking the slightest chance of somebody else getting injured. So at that point we made a decision to take all of our units out of 7 World Trade Center because there was a potential for collapse." [1] Firefighter Richard Banaciski was in the Verizon Building, adjacent to WTC7.
“ Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street "

Plus why would Silverstein admit to something like that on national T.V., he'd be the dumbest conspirator alive. This is Loose Change really reaching.

Originally Posted by Netskot

If I remember correctly, none of the bodies were recovered from that flight.

Oh yeah the Wally Miller quote

The bodies were pretty much obliterated in the crash, while they probably didn't find whole bodies they found enough to identify 27% of the passengers

http://www.postgazette.com/headlines...rash1003p3.asp

The FBI has mandated DNA testing to confirm the identities of remains, a process just beginning that Miller said could take four to six months. But using mostly dental records, Miller and staff have identified remains of 12 passengers -- a number that the coroner said might grow with last weekend's recovery of additional remains.
Remains, like the aircraft wreckage itself, were scattered when the jet hit the ground at as much as 575 mph, then exploded in a fireball of fuel. With those of 12 people identified, Miller and his team have identified the remains of 27 percent of the people on the plane, more than the 20 percent match he said that experts predicted at the outset.

The movie is right, they didn't find bodies, they found chunks of bodies and incinerated meat.