03-04-2010, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Burninator
Is the US justice system any different? Honest question.
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No
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03-04-2010, 12:29 PM
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#22
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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz
From what I understand you're kind of correct.
Thoug the issue of inent isn't whether he intended to drive into the people, it was whether or not he inteded to kill them.
If he didn't intend to drive into them, he wouldn't have been charged with assault/agravated assault, probably just neglegence.
The fact that he intended to hurt them, rather than kill them, and things just went too far, is why it's manslaughter and not murder.
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You're right, I misread the previous post.
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03-04-2010, 12:36 PM
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#23
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Victoria, BC
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What's the point of a guy staying in jail if he poses no threat to society? Clearly he made a stupid mistake, and odds are it won't happen again. Just a waste of money to have him wasting away in a jail cell. He's never going to get behind the wheel of a car again, so let him fend for his own food/shelter/cost of living - Better him than me.
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03-04-2010, 12:39 PM
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Norm!
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I'll remember that the next time I stab a hobo or run over a teenager. "I'm sorry I'm no longer a threat, you should let me go"
But Captain you've only served 2 years of a 10 year jail term.
"Yeah, but I swear I'll never hurt anyone again, or sell drugs or rape a chick"
Ok, your free to go.
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03-04-2010, 12:41 PM
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#25
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat
What's the point of a guy staying in jail if he poses no threat to society? Clearly he made a stupid mistake, and odds are it won't happen again. Just a waste of money to have him wasting away in a jail cell. He's never going to get behind the wheel of a car again, so let him fend for his own food/shelter/cost of living - Better him than me.
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I'll remember that the next time I stab a hobo or run over a teenager. "I'm sorry I'm no longer a threat, you should let me go"
But Captain you've only served 2 years of a 10 year jail term.
"Yeah, but I swear I'll never hurt anyone again, or sell drugs or rape a chick"
Ok, your free to go.
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Haha, yeah, forget all this nonsense about incarceration, the honor system has never let us down before!!
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03-04-2010, 12:43 PM
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One of the Nine
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IIRC, the guy was pissed off at someone in that group and after getting kicked out of a bar, or some kind of tussle, he went and got his car and plowed into them.
Dude should serve is sentence. This is BS.
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03-04-2010, 12:51 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Victoria, BC
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Originally Posted by 4X4
IIRC, the guy was pissed off at someone in that group and after getting kicked out of a bar, or some kind of tussle, he went and got his car and plowed into them.
Dude should serve is sentence. This is BS.
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If that's the case, and I'm not doubting it isn't, why the fata didn't he get convicted of 2nd degree murder? Manslaughter is the cupcake charge. That's what these families should be mad about. The parole board makes its decisions based on the conviction given out, and correct me if I'm wrong, but day parole after three years isn't all that uncommon (for manslaughter).
Last edited by HotHotHeat; 03-04-2010 at 01:02 PM.
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03-04-2010, 12:51 PM
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#28
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ontario
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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat
What's the point of a guy staying in jail if he poses no threat to society? Clearly he made a stupid mistake, and odds are it won't happen again. Just a waste of money to have him wasting away in a jail cell. He's never going to get behind the wheel of a car again, so let him fend for his own food/shelter/cost of living - Better him than me.
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Stupid mistake? I think some of the previous posts have addressed this. It wasn't a mistake.
Never going to get behind the wheel of a car again? Just like how he had a curfew and so he would be guaranteed to be home at a certain time? I think he's proven how much he follows 'rules' set out for him... ie: not at all.
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03-04-2010, 12:53 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by 4X4
IIRC, the guy was pissed off at someone in that group and after getting kicked out of a bar, or some kind of tussle, he went and got his car and plowed into them.
Dude should serve is sentence. This is BS.
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Wow. If that's accurate, that sounds more like murder to me than manslaughter.
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03-04-2010, 12:54 PM
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Everyone's Favorite Oilfan!
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: San Jose, California
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This was my friend's cousin who died that day. My friend is so pissed off and I am too. I can't believe it. What a joke.
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03-04-2010, 12:55 PM
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#31
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HotHotHeat
What's the point of a guy staying in jail if he poses no threat to society? Clearly he made a stupid mistake, and odds are it won't happen again. Just a waste of money to have him wasting away in a jail cell. He's never going to get behind the wheel of a car again, so let him fend for his own food/shelter/cost of living - Better him than me.
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Might as well go on a killing rampage and shoot everyone in sight, turn yourself in, do a couple years and then say you've learned your lesson and would never do it again.
You do the crime, you do the time. Simple as that. I'm really disappointed that the Canadian government hasn't strength it's enforcement on sentences given out.
Last edited by Joborule; 03-04-2010 at 01:03 PM.
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03-04-2010, 12:58 PM
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#32
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz
Thoug the issue of inent isn't whether he intended to drive into the people, it was whether or not he inteded to kill them.
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The fact that he intended to hurt them, rather than kill them, and things just went too far, is why it's manslaughter and not murder.
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I would think running over them in your car would be a murder charge though. According to the greatest legal scholar of our time, Wikipedia, you don't have to intend to kill someone to be charged with murder. 'Intent to inflict grievous bodily harm short of death' or 'reckless indifference to an unjustifiably high risk to human life' are enough to be charged with murder. I would consider intentionally running over a group of people with your car to be both of those.
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03-04-2010, 12:59 PM
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#33
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Joborule
Might as well go on a killing rampage and shoot everyone in sight, turn yourself in, do a couple years and then say you've learned your lesson and would never do it again.
You do the crime, you do the time. Simple as that. I'm really disappointing that the Canadian government hasn't strength it's enforcement on sentences given out.
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Also don't forget to say that you didn't intend to kill all those people when you shot them - just to injure them. Might get away with just an assault charge.
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03-04-2010, 01:03 PM
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#34
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: In my office, at the Ministry of Awesome!
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Originally Posted by Phaneuf3
I would think running over them in your car would be a murder charge though. According to the greatest legal scholar of our time, Wikipedia, you don't have to intend to kill someone to be charged with murder. 'Intent to inflict grievous bodily harm short of death' or 'reckless indifference to an unjustifiably high risk to human life' are enough to be charged with murder. I would consider intentionally running over a group of people with your car to be both of those. |
I would 100% agree with you, but unfortunately, some combination of lawyers, judge, and jury didn't.
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03-04-2010, 01:05 PM
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#35
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Victoria, BC
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Originally Posted by Joborule
Might as well go on a killing rampage and shoot everyone in sight, turn yourself in, do a couple years and then say you've learned your lesson and would never do it again.
You do the crime, you do the time. Simple as that. I'm really disappointed that the Canadian government hasn't strength it's enforcement on sentences given out.
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If you can go on a killing rampage and get away with manslaughter, all the power to you. The failure in this case isn't the parole board, it's the original conviction the prosecution team put together.
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03-04-2010, 01:48 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by calculoso
Stupid mistake? I think some of the previous posts have addressed this. It wasn't a mistake.
Never going to get behind the wheel of a car again? Just like how he had a curfew and so he would be guaranteed to be home at a certain time? I think he's proven how much he follows 'rules' set out for him... ie: not at all.
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I forgot all about that, if I remember right he was busted for missing his in house arrest rules.
Yeah, he was really really sorry.
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03-04-2010, 01:50 PM
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#37
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Locke
Haha, yeah, forget all this nonsense about incarceration, the honor system has never let us down before!!
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Hey Locke you wanna go camping?
Now that I have a free shot at murder, I figure you and me can have a final hobo killing showdown.
Winner take all, whatdaya say?
Neither of us will do jailtime.
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03-04-2010, 01:57 PM
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#38
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Calgary
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Sigh. What a system.
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03-04-2010, 02:23 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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There are so many unethical lawyers willing to defend these criminals just to rake in the cash. It makes me sick.
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