03-02-2010, 08:28 PM
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THis guy is a piece of CRAP and so is his lawyer. Thousands upon thousands of tax payers dollars wasted on this ######. Send his lawyer along with him. Perfect example of what is wrong with the system today when someone can be ordered deported SIX years ago, yet continue to pile on appeal after appeal. Good riddance.
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03-02-2010, 08:41 PM
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The guy will probably be back in six months with a phony passport under an assumed name.
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03-02-2010, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
The guy will probably be back in six months with a phony passport under an assumed name.
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Bruce Free?
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03-02-2010, 08:45 PM
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Disenfranchised
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03-02-2010, 09:42 PM
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Bruce Free?
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I don't get it.
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03-02-2010, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
I don't get it.
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Think assumed name.
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03-03-2010, 12:15 AM
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Is he on the plane yet, or is he still stuck at the airport?
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03-03-2010, 12:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Huntingwhale
THis guy is a piece of CRAP and so is his lawyer. Thousands upon thousands of tax payers dollars wasted on this ######. Send his lawyer along with him. Perfect example of what is wrong with the system today when someone can be ordered deported SIX years ago, yet continue to pile on appeal after appeal. Good riddance.
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Don't think that's fair on the lawyer.
It's an unfortunate but absolutely necessary part of our legal system to have fair representation for everyone. The lawyer has to do his best to represent him, no matter who he is or has done. If we didn't have lawyers to represent the bad guys, we wouldn't have a legal system.
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03-03-2010, 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates
Don't think that's fair on the lawyer.
It's an unfortunate but absolutely necessary part of our legal system to have fair representation for everyone. The lawyer has to do his best to represent him, no matter who he is or has done. If we didn't have lawyers to represent the bad guys, we wouldn't have a legal system.
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03-03-2010, 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by pope04
Think assumed name.
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damn senior moment, I was making it complicated, thinking it was a movie or book reference.
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03-03-2010, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
The guy will probably be back in six months with a phony passport under an assumed name.
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Chris Mother Tucker
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03-03-2010, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale
THis guy is a piece of CRAP and so is his lawyer. Thousands upon thousands of tax payers dollars wasted on this ######. Send his lawyer along with him. Perfect example of what is wrong with the system today when someone can be ordered deported SIX years ago, yet continue to pile on appeal after appeal. Good riddance.
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While I appreciate that the "thousands upon thousands of dollars wasted on this ######" comment is likely directed at all of the costs inherent in running our justice system, I take umbrage with the photo of a lawyer with dollar signs in his eyes.
I do not know whether Jackie Tran's defence and multiple appeals were funded by Legal Aid Alberta. In many cases, the serious offences you see make the news on a nightly basis are defended by lawyers who are working on legal aid certificates. The tariffs paid by Legal Aid are quite modest. I would suggest that the primary motivating factor for defence lawyers in these cases is not money. If you are a lawyer in Alberta, there are far better ways to make beaucoup bucks than taking on Legal Aid cases.
Here are the current (well, 2009 anyway) tariffs paid by Legal Aid Alberta: http://www.legalaid.ab.ca/lawyers/Do...20FRIENDLY.pdf
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03-03-2010, 03:57 PM
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While I appreciate that the "thousands upon thousands of dollars wasted on this ######" comment is likely directed at all of the costs inherent in running our justice system, I take umbrage with the photo of a lawyer with dollar signs in his eyes.
I do not know whether Jackie Tran's defence and multiple appeals were funded by Legal Aid Alberta. In many cases, the serious offences you see make the news on a nightly basis are defended by lawyers who are working on legal aid certificates. The tariffs paid by Legal Aid are quite modest. I would suggest that the primary motivating factor for defence lawyers in these cases is not money. If you are a lawyer in Alberta, there are far better ways to make beaucoup bucks than taking on Legal Aid cases.
Here are the current (well, 2009 anyway) tariffs paid by Legal Aid Alberta: http://www.legalaid.ab.ca/lawyers/Do...20FRIENDLY.pdf |
You just didn't get the joke. You didn't recognize the lawyer in the the picture as being Balfour Der. Probably a decent guy, was even a crown lawyer, but the butt of several jokes in Calgary as the guy who jumps to defend every high profile murderer, rapist, drug dealer, white collar granny scammer, multiple-fatality causing drunk driver, etc. and is probably one of the most highly paid and infamous defense lawyers in the city.
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03-03-2010, 04:21 PM
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I'm sure it's definitely about the money for him. Same as me, when I go to work, I get paid. You don't?
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03-03-2010, 04:29 PM
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Norm!
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I get paid in gum
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03-03-2010, 04:37 PM
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Had an idea!
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Citizen Paperwork Ain't Easy
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Especially if you're too busy being a gangster.
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03-03-2010, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
You just didn't get the joke. You didn't recognize the lawyer in the the picture as being Balfour Der. Probably a decent guy, was even a crown lawyer, but the butt of several jokes in Calgary as the guy who jumps to defend every high profile murderer, rapist, drug dealer, white collar granny scammer, multiple-fatality causing drunk driver, etc. and is probably one of the most highly paid and infamous defense lawyers in the city.
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I did get the joke and I do recognize the lawyer.
I don't know how much Balfour Der makes or whether he really is one the most highly paid defense lawyers in Calgary. Perhaps he is.
Der wasn't Jackie Tran's lawyer. The photo of Der was posted in response to another poster who chimed in to defend the idea of having lawyers representing the interests and rights of even the scummiest of scum our country will encounter. The photo was a cheap shot at lawyers in general and played on the stereotype many people hold towards members of the Bar.
Many, many of the accused persons in our legal system are represented by lawyers who are paid through Legal Aid. Those lawyers do not earn much at all through that work, especially relative to those lawyers who work on private retainers. Legal Aid limits your hourly rate and the number of hours you can bill for certain tasks. There are plenty of lawyers in Calgary who do Legal Aid work because they believe in Canada's legal system and feel a duty to ensure everyone has access to adequate representation and a fair trial. Those are the lawyers who are getting a bad rap.
I don't mean to derail this discussion, but for some reason those posts above really irked me today.
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03-03-2010, 04:54 PM
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Wait, what if fredr123 sees that face in the mirror.......
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03-03-2010, 06:16 PM
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Atomic Nerd
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by fredr123
I did get the joke and I do recognize the lawyer.
I don't know how much Balfour Der makes or whether he really is one the most highly paid defense lawyers in Calgary. Perhaps he is.
Der wasn't Jackie Tran's lawyer. The photo of Der was posted in response to another poster who chimed in to defend the idea of having lawyers representing the interests and rights of even the scummiest of scum our country will encounter. The photo was a cheap shot at lawyers in general and played on the stereotype many people hold towards members of the Bar.
Many, many of the accused persons in our legal system are represented by lawyers who are paid through Legal Aid. Those lawyers do not earn much at all through that work, especially relative to those lawyers who work on private retainers. Legal Aid limits your hourly rate and the number of hours you can bill for certain tasks. There are plenty of lawyers in Calgary who do Legal Aid work because they believe in Canada's legal system and feel a duty to ensure everyone has access to adequate representation and a fair trial. Those are the lawyers who are getting a bad rap.
I don't mean to derail this discussion, but for some reason those posts above really irked me today.
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I've worked for the Calgary Bar Association. My buddies in law school would often defend people for free or part of their program or also work for legal aid. Lawyers don't have the same bad rap in Canada as in the US. I think they are pretty well respected and many recognize the efforts of legal aid and the friendliness of the legal community.
I still feel that legal fees are quite high, but I feel the same about many professional services ($500 to clean my gums? what?)
IIRC, Tran's lawyer was a young east indian guy who used to work for a larger firm but became independant and had a modest fee. Der however is a common CP joke on many threads.
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