Sexual Awareness Week

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Superfraggle@Mar 1 2005, 09:45 PM

Pick up a Gateway, man. According to my buddy who goes to the U of A, some campus 5-0 caught a girl giving a handjob to a guy right out in the open. They got off with a warning.

Well I think the guy "got off" with more then a warning.

Ahhhthankyou.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

OK, the chick at the centre of this controversy is starting to get on my nerves.

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""I can't go back there," Houston, 28, said Thursday. "There is a full, frontal nude picture of me in my school newspaper. It was a school where I felt safe, where I was judged on intelligence and where I felt equal. That's been stripped from me."

She recognizes some people might find it ironic that she was nude on stage on campus in front of an audience of her peers, yet she's upset by the image in the paper.

"It's not hard to understand," said Houston, who is Miss Nude Canada 2005.

"At my work, no cameras are allowed, my privacy is respected and I feel protected," she said. "This is objectification of women at its finest."

For someone with the title of Miss Nude Canada 2005 I'm a little surprise at her sudden prudishness. I agree the paper didn't have to go "downstairs" but did you really expect no one to recocognize you? If you were so worried about being judged at your school, why take a gig to dance nude there?

As weak as the above argument is, it gets better. She appears in today's Herald on the front of the City section in full color (no fellas, not in her chain mail). It's a posed picture meaning she knowingly and willingly agreed to the photo. Guess what? You're even more notorious now! And now you're "talking to lawyers"? So much for being discrete. Could someone be trying to further their exotic career?

Predictibly the Campus Conservatives are filing a petition.... Eeek - boobies!

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by I-Hate-Hulse@Mar 11 2005, 03:53 PM
OK, the chick at the centre of this controversy is starting to get on my nerves.

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""I can't go back there," Houston, 28, said Thursday. "There is a full, frontal nude picture of me in my school newspaper. It was a school where I felt safe, where I was judged on intelligence and where I felt equal. That's been stripped from me."

She recognizes some people might find it ironic that she was nude on stage on campus in front of an audience of her peers, yet she's upset by the image in the paper.

"It's not hard to understand," said Houston, who is Miss Nude Canada 2005.

"At my work, no cameras are allowed, my privacy is respected and I feel protected," she said. "This is objectification of women at its finest."

For someone with the title of Miss Nude Canada 2005 I'm a little surprise at her sudden prudishness. I agree the paper didn't have to go "downstairs" but did you really expect no one to recocognize you? If you were so worried about being judged at your school, why take a gig to dance nude there?

As weak as the above argument is, it gets better. She appears in today's Herald on the front of the City section in full color (no fellas, not in her chain mail). It's a posed picture meaning she knowingly and willingly agreed to the photo. Guess what? You're even more notorious now! And now you're "talking to lawyers"? So much for being discrete. Could someone be trying to further their exotic career?

Predictibly the Campus Conservatives are filing a petition.... Eeek - boobies!

The newspaper was out of line . . . . but the girl can't get too uptight if she's doffing her clothes in public for cash somewhere else in the city. Get serious!!

The concept of "Sexual Awareness Week" at a university is a worthwhile one but the way they went about it sounds idiotic.

Really, a balls up (sic) by everyone from the organizers, participants and the student newspaper.

Cowperson

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Obsolutely no sympathy for this girl. She claims that this is the objectification of women in the worst way, well guess what, it probably is, but you were a willing participant. You dance in a strip club, fine, you have the right to expect not to have pictures appear in the paper. But the second you start to strip in public you have forfeited any expectation of privacy. For the love of god, you're taking your clothes off in a public place that is filled with men in their early 20's and you don't think pictures are going to surface? If you want to be judged by your brain and not your body, quit being so stupid and stop showing off your body. I'll be very disapointed if the gauntlet actually appologizes for this. Why shouldn't they cover sexual awarness week with the same oppenness that it was done with?

[transplant99]

Any pictures?

[Hakan]

Originally posted by fotze@Mar 11 2005, 09:03 AM
What a slut. Anyone know where she is 'working', we can go down there and register our disgust with her. Mind you it's always good to see that paper get what it has had coming forever.

Forgive my ignorance but why does that make her a 'slut'?

[pope04]

Originally posted by Bring_Back_Shantz@Mar 11 2005, 04:26 PM
Obsolutely no sympathy for this girl. She claims that this is the objectification of women in the worst way, well guess what, it probably is, but you were a willing participant. You dance in a strip club, fine, you have the right to expect not to have pictures appear in the paper. But the second you start to strip in public you have forfeited any expectation of privacy. For the love of god, you're taking your clothes off in a public place that is filled with men in their early 20's and you don't think pictures are going to surface? If you want to be judged by your brain and not your body, quit being so stupid and stop showing off your body. I'll be very disapointed if the gauntlet actually appologizes for this. Why shouldn't they cover sexual awarness week with the same oppenness that it was done with?

And "Honey" has the audacity to bleat: "I don't do photos that I can't show my mom and dad. And I can't show my mom and dad this."

Yeah, like she's never had any promotional photography done to enhance her peeling career.

I'm sure mom and dad are really proud of how she is financing her education.

Pathetic wench.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

I think it's a little harsh to critisize how she is paying for school. At the very least good for her for going to school and paying her own way. I don't think stripping makes her a bad person (probably a hoe, but not a bad person). She has the right to do that, and more power to her. The part that p*sses me off is that she is all up in arms about pictures of her doing something in a public place. I have a very simple rule. Don't do anything in public that you don't want others to find out about/see.

[Hakan]

Jesus, the sexism in this thread is disgusting.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Hakan@Mar 11 2005, 11:12 AM
Jesus, the sexism in this thread is disgusting.

So is that blasphemy, but you don't hear anyone else complaining.

[Hakan]

Instead of the emotionally loaded term such as slut, which I would argue normalizes a view that women who are in the sex trade are somehow inferior to people who are not, we use a less derogatory term such as sex trade worker?

Face it, slut is an insult and a really demeaning one. You weren't using it to categorize this person or to describe what she was doing but using it to demean her for a choice that she made which you don't necessarily think is right.

Downplaying the signifcance of that word because she'll never read it doesn't negate the gravity of the term. She may not read it but are lots of people on this board who will and by seeing you use it may think that it's okay to use that term to describe women. I think language like that reinforces sexism and violence so I will take issue with it and don't tell me not to be outraged. Think about what you say. If you wouldn't go on this board and call black people the n'word then you shouldn't call women 'sluts'.

[octothorp]

As a side note, this issue of the Gauntlet also apparently contains a story about an art gallery/bookshop/stationary store that my fiancee and I recently opened. Unfortunately, we're one of the only galleries in the building that doesn't have nudity, so I have no legitimate tie-in to this thread of discussion.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally posted by Bring_Back_Shantz@Mar 11 2005, 10:26 AM
Obsolutely no sympathy for this girl. She claims that this is the objectification of women in the worst way, well guess what, it probably is, but you were a willing participant. You dance in a strip club, fine, you have the right to expect not to have pictures appear in the paper. But the second you start to strip in public you have forfeited any expectation of privacy. For the love of god, you're taking your clothes off in a public place that is filled with men in their early 20's and you don't think pictures are going to surface? If you want to be judged by your brain and not your body, quit being so stupid and stop showing off your body. I'll be very disapointed if the gauntlet actually appologizes for this. Why shouldn't they cover sexual awarness week with the same oppenness that it was done with?

Very well said BBS.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

And like someone said earlier, her appearing in the paper didnt help her case.

This whole thing was a major shocker to me. I was and still am surprised that something like this can happen at a University.

I enjoyed it but it should be left off campus.

[Hakan]

I never said that you were racist or sexist or anything like that. I think that term you used is sexist. I think alot of guys use that term without any idea that it is sexist and that it makes alot of women, and men like myself feel uncomfortable.

Changing the terminology may not mean anything to you but it means alot to other people especially the people in question. That girl would probably like to be referred to as a sex trade worker instead of slut. Because she's pandering to the media makes her an insolent fool but not a slut. Why can't we just move away from such degrading insults based on a persons gender or occupation and to more general insults (of which there are a bevy of).

She's a self serving dullard with no appreciation of the consequences of her actions but not a slut.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally posted by Hakan@Mar 11 2005, 11:12 AM
Jesus, the sexism in this thread is disgusting.

I think it's the hypocrisy, not sexism that is fueling people here.

[pope04]

Originally posted by Bring_Back_Shantz@Mar 11 2005, 05:11 PM
I think it's a little harsh to critisize how she is paying for school. At the very least good for her for going to school and paying her own way. I don't think stripping makes her a bad person (probably a hoe, but not a bad person). She has the right to do that, and more power to her. The part that p*sses me off is that she is all up in arms about pictures of her doing something in a public place. I have a very simple rule. Don't do anything in public that you don't want others to find out about/see.

I'm not criticizing her for how she is paying for her education. I'm critical of the fact that she has suddenly turned prude when she sees an opportunity to promote herself or sue someone.

For her to blather that she has to pull out of class because she's humiliated and doesn't feel safe..............blech. Since she was peeling on-campus, I'd be willing to bet that all of her male classmates are well aware of her night job.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Hakan@Mar 11 2005, 12:00 PM
That girl would probably like to be referred to as a sex trade worker instead of slut.

I'd rather be known as a professor, but until then I am just a lowly broadcaster.

And come on, sex trade workers are sluts. Male, female, who cares, the whole lot of em.

[Hakan]

Ok sorry for derailing this thread. I'll start up a sexism and language thread sometime soon and we can have a debate.

But now I gotta get to work.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Hakan.... "I am woman, hear woman roar"

really she takes her clothing off in a public place where anyone could walk by and watch, we are in agreement about that. From my understanding this was done in an atmosphere where anyone could walk in. She wants to be treated as an equal and not because of her goods which she has to offer, well guess what the answer to that involves.... not stripping where you go to school.

Hakan just because this one person is a slut (I would be bordering more ona cup of fool, and a pinch of bitch) there is nothing which would indicate that it would reinforces sexism and violence towards women in general.

What the hell kind of politically correct term is a sex trade worker ... come on people do judge others based on the job that they have. Do you have a conversation with a janitor the same way that you talk to an executive. Do you treat homeless people with the same respect that you give to an engineer for example. You seem to be making an assumption that the job someone is involved with should not have any effect on the way in which someone is thought of. Personally I don't respect a stripper as much as I respect someone in management, and I don't respect a prostitute as much as I respect the stripper. Are they lesser people.... no. But does that mean that I should respect them all the same, and view them all in the same light.... in communist canada, state thinks for you?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally posted by Hakan@Mar 11 2005, 11:41 AM
Instead of the emotionally loaded term such as slut, which I would argue normalizes a view that women who are in the sex trade are somehow inferior to people who are not, we use a less derogatory term such as sex trade worker?

Face it, slut is an insult and a really demeaning one. You weren't using it to categorize this person or to describe what she was doing but using it to demean her for a choice that she made which you don't necessarily think is right.

Downplaying the signifcance of that word because she'll never read it doesn't negate the gravity of the term. She may not read it but are lots of people on this board who will and by seeing you use it may think that it's okay to use that term to describe women. I think language like that reinforces sexism and violence so I will take issue with it and don't tell me not to be outraged. Think about what you say. If you wouldn't go on this board and call black people the n'word then you shouldn't call women 'sluts'.

I tend to disagree. A racial slur is just that, a slur based on someones race, not a choice. Calling someone a slut, an a***hole, or something of that nature is affixing a lable to them based on a choice. If I kill someone I'm a murderer, if I'm rude, I'm a jerk, if a girl goes around indescriminately sleeping with strangers, she is a slut plain and simple. I don't think stripping makes her a slut (as I said before, I'd call her a hoe).

Will I call a girl a slut, no, because I don't see any differnece between what she's doing and what many guys do. But if someone thinks it is a horrible thing to do regardless of gender, then they have every right to call someone a slut.