03-01-2010, 02:27 PM
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I don't think I said anything positive about Stalin - I did ask the Russians to win their game against Canada in the name of Nevsky, Peter the Great, Lenin, Stalin and Brezhnev, and that little prayer didn't get me far... Otherwise, the invocation of Soviet symbols is particularly relevant, since Putin very much wants it to be Soviet Russia...
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03-01-2010, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler
I don't think I said anything positive about Stalin - I did ask the Russians to win their game against Canada in the name of Nevsky, Peter the Great, Lenin, Stalin and Brezhnev, and that little prayer didn't get me far... Otherwise, the invocation of Soviet symbols is particularly relevant, since Putin very much wants it to be Soviet Russia...
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Yeah, I just didn't know why on earth you would have mentioned Stalin. it's like a German invoking Frederick the Great, Bismarck, Wilhelm, Hindenburg, and Hitler. One of these things is not like the other one.
But as I said, I'm done with it, just wanted to vent.
Now carry on being a crazy stereotype, as I typically enjoy your posts!
Edit: Oh, and sorry for the godwin.
Last edited by tripin_billie; 03-01-2010 at 03:10 PM.
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03-01-2010, 05:02 PM
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#23
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Originally Posted by tripin_billie
Yeah, I just didn't know why on earth you would have mentioned Stalin. it's like a German invoking Frederick the Great, Bismarck, Wilhelm, Hindenburg, and Hitler. One of these things is not like the other one.
But as I said, I'm done with it, just wanted to vent.
Now carry on being a crazy stereotype, as I typically enjoy your posts!
Edit: Oh, and sorry for the godwin.
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Stalin for Russians is much more complex than Hitler is for Germans... Whereas Germans (almost universally) would say Hitler was "bad", Russians would say "Stalin, did bad things, BUT...." - many credit him, fairly or not, with modernizing "Russia" and making it a "power". But enough of history...
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03-01-2010, 05:04 PM
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Well, I think the expectations may have been a tad high for them, but it sounds like they want to do something similar to what we did after 98, which wouldn't be a bad thing for them.
Sometimes you gotta start fresh. Look at the whole system from the bottom up.
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03-01-2010, 05:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler
Stalin for Russians is much more complex than Hitler is for Germans... Whereas Germans (almost universally) would say Hitler was "bad", Russians would say "Stalin, did bad things, BUT...." - many credit him, fairly or not, with modernizing "Russia" and making it a "power". But enough of history...
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Saving the country from Hitler didn't hurt his reputation either.
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03-01-2010, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke
Strangely enough, they did better at the Summer Olympics...  |
Yeah, but there are an assload more events in the Summer Olympics. USA had the most medals this winter olympics with 37 (which was a new high I believe). In Beijing they had 110. China with the 50+ Golds. Tons more events = more chance to medal, especially when you have a ton of people in your country.
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03-01-2010, 07:26 PM
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^^^ The Summer Olympics has far too many events if you ask me. And it's not so much the different events that bug me, it's the redundancy.
Swimming for example. Does it really matter what stroke you are using? We don't have a 100 hop, 100 meter skip, 100 meter backwards, and 100 meter high step to go with the 100 meter dash do we? (Yeah I know you could argue the hurdles probably equal one of those, but definitely not all four)
Swimming is the best example, but there is redundancy all over the summer games. It's pointless, and boring.
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03-01-2010, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler
Stalin for Russians is much more complex than Hitler is for Germans... Whereas Germans (almost universally) would say Hitler was "bad", Russians would say "Stalin, did bad things, BUT...." - many credit him, fairly or not, with modernizing "Russia" and making it a "power". But enough of history...
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Hitler did just as much for Germany economically as Stalin did for USSR. The "BUT.. resonates with very few people, whom I would argue still hold the views they did.
Interesting how an Austrian and a Georgian gave both Germany and Russia such bad reputations.
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03-01-2010, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Netskot
Hitler did just as much for Germany economically as Stalin did for USSR. The "BUT.. resonates with very few people, whom I would argue still hold the views they did.
Interesting how an Austrian and a Georgian gave both Germany and Russia such bad reputations.
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Are you kidding? Hitler had the German economy on the verge of collapse by the time WW2 started, and never did get wartime production properly organized. Germany was already a great economic power before Hitler. Stalin on the other hand turned a backward agrarian society into an industrial power (by butal means and with extreme inefficiency)...
But why are we discussing this in the Olympic forum? 
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