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Stanley · 02-21-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

May as well say Canada has been out-GM'ed. Some questionable picks haven't paid off.

I just choked on my rum reading this post....hehe...

minnow · 02-21-2010, 09:24 PM

Love this quote from Bubcock tonight: "Good thing I have two days to figure all that out".

Erick Estrada · 02-21-2010, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by minnow

Love this quote from Bubcock tonight: "Good thing I have two days to figure all that out".

That would be nice. His coaching on the fly act hasn't helped the team at all.

zamler · 02-21-2010, 09:31 PM

What exactly does Babcock need to "figure out"? Does he need an epiphany that he's not a god among men and his NHL style coaching methods are useless in the Olympics? Does he need to "figure out" that he has a hard on for certain players and puts them out there, damn the torpedoes?

Stocky · 02-21-2010, 10:41 PM

Looks like Babcock needs a full training camp to evaluate players, and a 1/2 doz games to find players who have chemistry with each other, because he he certainly shouldn't be experimenting with 1/2 of his line combos at this stage of the game. This tourney is way too short.

He isn't even giving the players any time to develop chemistry; if it isn't there right away he changes it up. Pick someone and go with them. Only one more loss and we are out.

zunie75 · 02-21-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kirant

This is an honest question now: Babcock or Sutter for Team Canada?

I dont think Sutter would be the answer for this team. We have seen that he jugles lines just like Babcock, and hes a very set in his way type of coach.

I think better choices would have been joel quenneville, bruce boudreau. If not as head coaches, at least as assitants. Whats Hitchcock doing there anyway?

Let just be thankful that the Russians won today. At least we get a match with Germany instead of them for now.

zunie75 · 02-21-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by zamler

What exactly does Babcock need to "figure out"? Does he need an epiphany that he's not a god among men and his NHL style coaching methods are useless in the Olympics? Does he need to "figure out" that he has a hard on for certain players and puts them out there, damn the torpedoes?

No doubt. Whats he going to figure out in a day and a half that he couldnt in the three days leading up to the USA game? Clearly, if he had reviewed the first two game tapes he should have seen what most of us had figured out in period 2 of the Norway game.

Iggy Snipe · 02-21-2010, 10:47 PM

All i know is Babcock had reason to remove Iggy off that top line in the first place. His numbers going into the tourny were comparable to Nash, Getzlaf, and Iggy has played great every second he has got. He gets 3 goals in Gm#1, where he still was short shifted, and then gets no Ice in game #2 or 3 until Babcock panics and throws Iggy out with Nash and Crosby again. What a joke, he never had a reason to take him off that line. He just does not like Iginla and would rather win without him playing if he could, but when it comes down to it, Canada needs Iginla whether Babcack thinks he does or not. When it comes down to Babcock losing his job, he will play Iginla. Iginla could have been the difference. He DOES have chemistry with Crosby, and pure goal scorer would.

browna · 02-21-2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

May as well say Canada has been out-GM'ed. Some questionable picks haven't paid off.

Yeah. Seabrook playing with Keith is usually a sideshow, at least tonight...and when those guys don't play together, which had to happen when Seabrook struggled, Seabrook looks like Pardy and Keith looks like Sarich.

No way, now how can you tell me that Bouwmeester could do any worse then 3 or 4 of those guys out there.

There was one and a half forward lines tonight, until going down 4-2, then Iginla got back, and then there was two forward lines with 5 mins to go.

valo403 · 02-21-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by browna

Yeah. Seabrook playing with Keith is usually a sideshow, at least tonight...and when those guys don't play together, which had to happen when Seabrook struggled, Seabrook looks like Pardy and Keith looks like Sarich.

No way, now how can you tell me that Bouwmeester could do any worse then 3 or 4 of those guys out there.

There was one and a half forward lines tonight, until going down 4-2, then Iginla got back, and then there was two forward lines with 5 mins to go.

I don't know how you could have seen that coming though, those two are the best D-pairing in the NHL right now, their lack of performance at the Olympics is pretty shocking actually.

Ark2 · 02-21-2010, 11:02 PM

I really hope that we are done juggling lines from here on out. There were three variations of the top line tonight. I don't care who you are or what you have won, that is not a smart move for any coach to make. Iginla-Crosby-Nash may not be the best combo, but out of the four combinations that we have seen, it has easily looked the best and no one can argue this.

I also hope that we done with carrying 13 forwards and 7 defensemen. All it does is throw things out of sync. Identify the players that you don't need (Perry and Seabrook) and let them watch from the pressbox.

TheyCallMeBruce · 02-21-2010, 11:05 PM

Babcock needs to figure this out in 2 days?

Is it anything like the way he "figured" things out after the game with switzerland?

Ark2 · 02-21-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheyCallMeBruce

Babcock needs to figure this out in 2 days?

Is it anything like the way he "figured" things out after the game with switzerland?

Yeah, he said the same thing after that game, didn't he. LOL

liamenator · 02-21-2010, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

I don't know how you could have seen that coming though, those two are the best D-pairing in the NHL right now, their lack of performance at the Olympics is pretty shocking actually.

A lot of us saw it coming, based on the fact that Seabrook is the single most overrated D-man in the league right now.

valo403 · 02-21-2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by liamenator

A lot of us saw it coming, based on the fact that Seabrook is the single most overrated D-man in the league right now.

Huh? It's pretty much universally recognized that the Seabrook-Keith pairing has been the best in the league for at least the last year. They play against the top unit every night and are incredibly effective in shutting them down. There was no reason to think they wouldn't do the same thing at the Olympics.

Sly · 02-21-2010, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Iggy Snipe

All i know is Babcock had reason to remove Iggy off that top line in the first place. His numbers going into the tourny were comparable to Nash, Getzlaf, and Iggy has played great every second he has got. He gets 3 goals in Gm#1, where he still was short shifted, and then gets no Ice in game #2 or 3 until Babcock panics and throws Iggy out with Nash and Crosby again. What a joke, he never had a reason to take him off that line. He just does not like Iginla and would rather win without him playing if he could, but when it comes down to it, Canada needs Iginla whether Babcack thinks he does or not. When it comes down to Babcock losing his job, he will play Iginla. Iginla could have been the difference. He DOES have chemistry with Crosby, and pure goal scorer would.

Exactly how I feel.

Sly · 02-21-2010, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Huh? It's pretty much universally recognized that the Seabrook-Keith pairing has been the best in the league for at least the last year. They play against the top unit every night and are incredibly effective in shutting them down. There was no reason to think they wouldn't do the same thing at the Olympics.

Keith makes Seabrook. Seabrook does not make Keith.

valo403 · 02-21-2010, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Keith makes Seabrook. Seabrook does not make Keith.

Fair enough, but they've both been bad either together or individually.

Sidney Crosby's Hat · 02-21-2010, 11:25 PM

I think Canada looked great tonight. They completely dominated the U.S. who were back on their heels for a good portion of the game. Brodeur wasn't sharp but hey, it happens. Probably a good thing since Luongo is likely the better choice in net moving forward. Better to figure that out now than in the quarterfinals.

The team really seems to be finding its stride. My only concern is, will playing a team like Germany make them lose that edge? It really would be better if they just had Russia on tap Wednesday. The one benefit is it gets Luongo some action before the quarters.

liamenator · 02-21-2010, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Fair enough, but they've both been bad either together or individually.

This is true, and I agree with you that Keith's struggles have been surprising.

But I think the only reason that they're 'universally acknowledged' as the 'best' D pairing in the league is because the hype-machine has billed them as such. And I'm of the view that Seabrook has managed to ride Keith's coattails all the way to the Olympic Games. He's far and away the worst pick Yzerman made IMO (regardless of whether or not Bouwmeester was next in line).