U of C tuition to go up: way up

[urban1]

You still need people to work jobs that little or no education is required. Many of those jobs cant be outsourced so local residents need to work those jobs.
And dont forget the trades.

Originally Posted by Table 5

For a country, the point is to make sure everyone has a high level of education to boost the overall productivity of the nation, and not to distinguish yourself from the competition on an individual level.

Hypothetically which one makes more sense, a country 100% full of bachelor degrees, or a country with 90% high school dropouts and 10% bachelors? To an individual it might mean they have to distinguish themselves in other ways (ie. a Masters degree, a resume with racing stripes), but that base level of education is still very important.

[Freeway]

http://www.su.ucalgary.ca/governance...sultation.html

[Berger_4_]

This year cost me just under 3000 a semester. Not a big fan of the increases, but what can ya do? I was told a story by one of my friends that one class had their lab budget cut by 75 percent...hopefully this isn't all going to pay out Harvey.

Also, I'm not a huge fan of all those compulsory fees...Lots of stuff I pay for I never use. It'd be nice to be able to cut some of that kind of stuff out.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by urban1

You still need people to work jobs that little or no education is required. Many of those jobs cant be outsourced so local residents need to work those jobs.
And dont forget the trades.

I include trades as part of education, as they are pretty important. Not everyone should or needs to go to university by any means....but I don't think people should have that decision made for them due to lack of funds.

There will always be people for the low-paying/temp jobs....teens, recent immigrants, lazy bums....that's not going to change no matter what.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Going to school, and going to school while living large, are entirely different things.

I'll second this.
But I'd also like to point out that getting an education and earning a university degree are two very different things as well.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Freeway

The Students' Union was given preliminary numbers for next year's U of C tuition yesterday:

1.5% increase for everyone
PLUS: extra $200 for each engineering class, $240 for each business class, $1,820 for each law school year and $4,000 for each med school year
PLUS: roughly $500 compulsory fee (several fees will be bound together into a super-mandatory fee, but it'll be around $500 in new fees)

Story's coming out in tomorrow's Gauntlet and will be on the SU website sometime today or tomorrow. If you're at the U of C and wanna bitch, bitch to your MLA, the Advanced Education minister and the Provost of the U of C. The Provost will be at the SU meeting on Tuesday, February 2 at 6:30 in Mac Hall.

I just finished, but HOLY FATA is that expensive!!

Classes right now are around $500, if you're in business you're likely taking 7 or 8 Business classes per school year so now you're looking at a HUGE increase. Thats probably going to push tuition to about $8000 per year, you'll easily clear $2000 in books over a 10 course year plus this super fee or whatever. Thats a ton of cake.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Locke

I just finished, but HOLY FATA is that expensive!!

Classes right now are around $500, if you're in business you're likely taking 7 or 8 Business classes per school year so now you're looking at a HUGE increase. Thats probably going to push tuition to about $8000 per year, you'll easily clear $2000 in books over a 10 course year plus this super fee or whatever. Thats a ton of cake.

Yeah, it's a bit steep. Charging 14,000 dollars a year for law is ugly too--especially when the law program at UVic is still under 10,000.

[shermanator]

Where I think the University gouges you is that in certain programs, far too much of your course load is options. I took the Computer Science program at UofC, and had 19 options! That's half the degree! And many of the required courses were obsolete by the time I was done the degree!

[Berger_4_]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Where I think the University gouges you is that in certain programs, far too much of your course load is options. I took the Computer Science program at UofC, and had 19 options! That's half the degree! And many of the required courses were obsolete by the time I was done the degree!

Yeah that's a good point. They're just stretching the degree to make it four years. My C&C degree is exactly like that. There's a handful of required classes and the rest is just filler.

[Huntingwhale]

Looks like I'm going to have to sell crack rocks to afford my education

[Locke]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Where I think the University gouges you is that in certain programs, far too much of your course load is options. I took the Computer Science program at UofC, and had 19 options! That's half the degree! And many of the required courses were obsolete by the time I was done the degree!

My Accounting Degree has 9 Accounting Core Courses out of the 40 that are needed for the whole degree. Thats 31 non-accounting courses, now, many of those are Math, Stats, Marketing, Finance, etc...but still, there is a lot of filler in there.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Locke

I just finished, but HOLY FATA is that expensive!!

Classes right now are around $500, if you're in business you're likely taking 7 or 8 Business classes per school year so now you're looking at a HUGE increase. Thats probably going to push tuition to about $8000 per year, you'll easily clear $2000 in books over a 10 course year plus this super fee or whatever. Thats a ton of cake.

So lets say that you pay $10000 per year for tuition and books and get a 4 year degree. So you pay out $40,000.00

So for the cost of a mid line car you have potentially doubled your income or more over someone that didn't go to University.

I just don't see how thats an exorbinant debt load or cost considering that you have about 40 years or income advantages.

Is there still a proporional write off on Student loans upon graduation?

When I graduated back in the day my total student load was about $35,000.00 but the bank reduced due to me meeting certain conditions (Deans List, top half of my class etc)

That was a great program, it dumped about 10k off of my obligations.

[shermanator]

Originally Posted by Berger_4_

Yeah that's a good point. They're just stretching the degree to make it four years. My C&C degree is exactly like that. There's a handful of required classes and the rest is just filler.

And furthermore, certain options that would have been really useful (for example, I wanted to take a few Accounting / MIS classes) are restricted to those students taking them as a major. I was able to take a few useful courses like Technical Writing and Rhetoric (public speaking), but many of the options I took have no usefulness in my daily job.

Sometimes I think SAIT is almost a better way to go, and I regret not going that route. The diploma takes half the time, and the content of the courses is more practical when applied in the real world. Unfortunately, a diploma from SAIT is not considered as prestigous as a degree from the U of C to most employers.

[Phaneuf3]

This is the wave of the future:
http://www.instant-degrees.net/

[SuperMatt18]

Luckily I am in my last semester of business but this proposed increase is still all sorts of bull and irritates me.

I can even see if they wanted to increase the tuition by about $50 a class but how the hell can they justify another $240 per class.

Last year they already allowed another 4000-5000 students into the school, on an already overcrowded campus to help account for the deficit and now they want to charge students almost 50 percent more per class.

Also if you want to increase tuition why do business and engineering students have to face the brunt of the increase. Tell me what would work better, giving just those students a 240 dollar increase or giving all students a maybe $20 increase.

[Esoteric]

This is absolute BS. I have a final semester in September, which will be comprised of 3 business classes (ACCT, ACCT and FNCE) and 2 options. This is going to be around $800 more in fee increases for ONE FINAL SEMESTER.

Get bent.

The U of C is already a pretty mediocre institution, and this is further driving it into the ground.

[The Yen Man]

The silver lining to tuition is the tax credits you get if you've saved them for your first career job. I didn't have to pay any taxes until my second full year on the job. The first one and a half years I got back a pretty nice tax refund.

[JimmytheT]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

but at least they'll make around 40-50 first year after school, unlike Arts degree grads who will go back to their summer job.

I received a Bachelor of Arts degree (in Economics) in 2005 from the U of C, and I have a well paying, very rewarding job with lots of upward potential.

[Esoteric]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

The silver lining to tuition is the tax credits you get if you've saved them for your first career job. I didn't have to pay any taxes until my second full year on the job. The first one and a half years I got back a pretty nice tax refund.

I'd prefer not to pay $800 more now, then to get back about $200 of that back in taxes later.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by JimmytheT

I received a Bachelor of Arts degree (in Economics) in 2005 from the U of C, and I have a well paying, very rewarding job with lots of upward potential.

You'll be a McDonald's manager soon enough!