Christian fundamentalists target Shrek 2

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Clarkey@Feb 22 2005, 05:31 PM
This question may be a bit harsh, and I apologize if it is, but what do you believe would happen if say, heaven forbid, your child or wife died? Where would they go?

I cannot accept that my friends and family members that have died are simply rotting in the ground. Don't you have to have some hope that there is a God and something else beyond this life or what really is the point of it all.

Actually Clarkey, your question is not harsh at all. As horrible a thought as something like that happening is, because of my beliefs I have to say that yes, thats all I think that happens. You die, you get buried, you rot and you're gone. Thats it.

People will always ask me, "but this (life) can't be all there is, you have to believe in heaven or the afterlife?"

My theory is that indeed this one life is it. Its all we get. Make the best of it because when your tcket is punched, you're done. I love life with all its ups and downs and would choose to live forever if I could.

I respect peoples decisions to be religous or believe in a god and would expect the same respect for my decision and not to try and "convert" me because I don't try and convert religous people. I mean, I've been this way since I was 12. (Not saying you're trying to convert me at all Clarkey)

[Cain]

Agnostic is the way to go baby. You'll never KNOW for sure...why trouble yourself in choosing a side.

I always thought that sitting on the fence was the best course of action when there is no ground on either side of it.

A good quote, not sure who it was by is "I do not pretend to know, what many ignorant men believe."

Enough of the cheesy quotes. It's out of my system now.

I don't think that it matters what you believe. There might be a god. There might not be. I can't say for sure either way. I am not an athiest and not a believer. I think that what matters most is how you live your life, and what morals and values you have, and none of those are determined by whether or not you believe you had a creator. Frankly, if there were a god, and I was not let into heaven because I did not "believe" throughout my life, and everything else I did was good...screw that, I don't want to be a part of that anyway.

[kermitology]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Feb 22 2005, 12:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Feb 22 2005, 12:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

What if you're wrong??

What if you are? [/b][/quote]
Ever think that perhaps your fate upon death is dependant on your own personal beliefs? So if you're Athiest, you simply cease to exist. Just a thought.

Personally I'm currently agnostic.. Some people need something organized to tell them what is right and wrong, personally I don't, so faith doesn't play an important role in my life.

[jonesy]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Feb 22 2005, 06:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Feb 22 2005, 06:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

What if you're wrong??

What if you are? [/b][/quote]
Well, if I'm wrong, I will never know, because once I die that there is no more.
If you are wrong, you will be in utter despair.
Eternity is a long time, I don't mind the price of the insurance.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally posted by jonesy+Feb 22 2005, 05:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jonesy @ Feb 22 2005, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

What if you are?

Well, if I'm wrong, I will never know, because once I die that there is no more.
If you are wrong, you will be in utter despair.
Eternity is a long time, I don't mind the price of the insurance. [/b][/quote]
Ahhh but you could still be wrong.

What if your right that there is an afterworld but you only get in say if your Buddhist.

Then you're joining the rest of us in the heated basement.

[peter12]

There's no heated basement in Buddhism.

[kermitology]

Good point fotze.. God with problems of insecurity!

Mankind created religion, sometimes people just need something to believe in. Besides, history is written by those who win, suppose the following of Christianity is based on lies set out to destroy another faith? I'm not saying that's true, just a thought.

[jonesy]

Originally posted by fotze+Feb 22 2005, 11:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fotze @ Feb 22 2005, 11:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Ahhh but you could still be wrong.

What if your right that there is an afterworld but you only get in say if your Buddhist.

Then you're joining the rest of us in the heated basement.

....
Why does God need to be told how great he is all the time? Does someone who has created a universe this intricate and who is obviously great and powerful, need the reassurance from all of us unsignificant beings. all the time. Not bloody likely.[/b][/quote]
He likes us and wants to be pals, I don't think it is insecurity

[jonesy]

Originally posted by kermitology@Feb 23 2005, 12:06 AM
Good point fotze.. God with problems of insecurity!

Mankind created religion, sometimes people just need something to believe in. Besides, history is written by those who win, suppose the following of Christianity is based on lies set out to destroy another faith? I'm not saying that's true, just a thought.

Oop flood control got activated...
anyways, you are right, religion is a set of man made rules for how to follow God. Most of the time i don't think God was consulted during the meetings when the rules were concocted. Doesn't mean God isn't real, just that man usually goofs it up with added stuff.

[kermitology]

Originally posted by jonesy@Feb 22 2005, 06:16 PM
Oop flood control got activated...
anyways, you are right, religion is a set of man made rules for how to follow God. Most of the time i don't think God was consulted during the meetings when the rules were concocted. Doesn't mean God isn't real, just that man usually goofs it up with added stuff.

But it doesn't mean God is real either, or that there is only one true faith. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, and I no one should question them, however, that entails that you allow others to believe what they wish.

[jonesy]

Originally posted by fotze@Feb 23 2005, 12:22 AM
Well If my pals told me how great I was all time I'd think they were idiots and to stop wasting mine and thier time and just be great themselves.

And what's with thanking God for minimal achievements like music awards. Like God wants be associated with crap doled out at those. Think god was proud to be thanked for MC Hammers album.

Think how great it feels when you come home from work and your wife or kids or dog come up and smile and jump all over you. I'm just talking about love not insincer butt-kissing.

[jonesy]

nm. I kind of Ken Kinged that one, i will try again below...

[jonesy]

Originally posted by kermitology+Feb 23 2005, 12:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kermitology @ Feb 23 2005, 12:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jonesy@Feb 22 2005, 06:16 PM
Oop flood control got activated...
anyways, you are right, religion is a set of man made rules for how to follow God. Most of the time i don't think God was consulted during the meetings when the rules were concocted. Doesn't mean God isn't real, just that man usually goofs it up with added stuff.

But it doesn't mean God is real either, or that there is only one true faith. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, and I no one should question them, however, that entails that you allow others to believe what they wish. [/b][/quote]
You are right again. You can't make anyone believe anything. I have no problem telling anyone what I believe, AND listening to what they believe. What you do with it is your choice.

Without freedom of choice there would be no point.

[kermitology]

I don't disagree with you there jonsey..

One question though, are you of faith because you're afraid of what might be at the end of your life, or does it impact why you believe what you believe?

[jonesy]

Originally posted by kermitology@Feb 23 2005, 12:32 AM
I don't disagree with you there jonsey..

One question though, are you of faith because you're afraid of what might be at the end of your life, or does it impact why you believe what you believe?

OK, since you asked..... I am of faith because I flat out believe I have felt God's presence directly in my life. It was a great feeling. Better than ice cream, ya know? :blush:

I realize that is looked at with disdain and may get me tossed into the kuckoo bin, but that's the fact jack.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by jonesy+Feb 22 2005, 04:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jonesy @ Feb 22 2005, 04:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

What if you are?

Well, if I'm wrong, I will never know, because once I die that there is no more.
If you are wrong, you will be in utter despair.
Eternity is a long time, I don't mind the price of the insurance. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, well what if you went to the wrong insurance company?

[peter12]

Originally posted by kermitology@Feb 22 2005, 06:32 PM
I don't disagree with you there jonsey..

One question though, are you of faith because you're afraid of what might be at the end of your life, or does it impact why you believe what you believe?

I honestly have seen freaky things happen that I have worried and prayed about.
Just big worries and problems my family and I have experienced and they have worked out in extremely strange ways, not always for the best.

[jonesy]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Feb 23 2005, 12:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Feb 23 2005, 12:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Well, if I'm wrong, I will never know, because once I die that there is no more.
If you are wrong, you will be in utter despair.
Eternity is a long time, I don't mind the price of the insurance.

Yeah, well what if you went to the wrong insurance company? [/b][/quote]
I don't know man, what if I don't wake up tomorrow? What if the sun burns out?
Some things you just got to take on faith.

Are you saying that if you can't decide on the best auto insurance company you will pick none? This will guarantee you trouble if you get in an accident.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by jonesy@Feb 22 2005, 07:17 PM
Some things you just got to take on faith.

Are you saying that if you can't decide on the best auto insurance company you will pick none? This will guarantee you trouble if you get in an accident.

That line of reasoning implies that one of the "insurance companies" is guaranteed to be the right one, the one that'll save your hide in an "accident", which just isn't the case.

On another note... the reason you listed below for your own faith (the one that could land you in the kuckoo bin) is better than pretty much any other reason to be religious than I've ever heard. Most/all religious types I know buy the story because it's just what they were told when they were kids.

Back to the original topic... what do you think of this bunch and their stance on the ogre movie?

[4X4]

FFS, now Shrek is evil? Can't you pretty much make a case for any cartoon, ever? Let's see, Alladin was a thief, funny, the nutjobs didn't notice that that is a blatant breach of a commandment. Wasn't the little mermaid envious of people with legs? Thats a deadly sin.

Spongebob is gay, huh? I guess that fact that he's a happy little cartoon guy helps him fit the 'gay' mold.

Luckily enough for these parents, their kids will soon grow out of 'gay' ans 'evil' cartoons & pick up more wholesome hobbies like car stealing, woman beating videogames and slutty half dressed role models.