Would you still buy a Pontiac

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I wouldn't touch a Pontiac or anything America made at this point unless it was a truck.

Offense intended, but you don't know anything about cars. There are some American gems out there right now, and so cheap because of the garbage reputation the uninformed masses will hold on to for years. Just as how everyone thinks Toyota is awesome now while their quality is on the decline (not saying they are bad cars yet).

[Table 5]

Ford seems to be putting out some decent cars these days.....just wish their one-world plan would hurry up so we dont have to drive the fugly american designs and instead get their Euro versions.

[FlamesKickAss]

yep I love my fusion.... not an issue with it at all in 2.5 years of owning it.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I've never owned one, but have driven enough of them in rental car situations to know to stay away. Even among domestics, they faired very poorly in terms of driving experience. To me they were always cheap feeling, had clunky and bumpy aesthetics, no ergonomics, and drove like a bathtub.

I'm all for Pontiac being killed off, it was clearly not doing anything for anyone anymore.

Saab on the other hand, now that's a pity (still some hope though!).

Don't most rental cars suck though? It's not like people are trying to take care of them, and their mostly base models as well which aren't designed for driving experience.
I'm not saying a Pontiac will drive like a BMW, but the GT models I've owned drove really well and were pretty great driving experiences for their comparable class and price.
I've heard great things about the driving of a Grandprix or G8 as well, but haven't drove those.

Saab's on the other hand are nice cars (I almost bought one) but also known for being weak and un-thrilling compared to the Audi's, BMWS and Mercedes they tried to compete with.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by ken0042

As somebody who has never owned anything buy GM cars- my current one will be my last one. I have watched the quality go downhill over the years, and issues that I brought to my dealer under warranty were not addressed; and now that the car is off warranty are no longer covered:

- Intake manifold gasket. There is finally a class action suit on this one, and if I took it to the dealer I would get $100 off the ~$1500 repair.
- ABS sensor- I reported an issue at 40K; now it's bad enough to show up in the computer logs.
- Rust protection. GM- "No by rust protection we only cover if there are actual holes in your vehicle.
- Seat belt locks. The drivers side seatbelt will lock up with the slightest change in inertia; meaning that coming off a cloverleaf it will lock up preventing me from shoulder checking on my merge.

Get that quote on the Vibe, go into the Toyota dealership and get them to match it.

Mine does the same thing, drives me nuts.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Don't most rental cars suck though?

Only in North America, as we get the crappy domestic fleet cars. I was in Spain recently, and my economy car was an Audi A3.....that instantly upped my vacation enjoyment by a good 25%.

If only one rental car company on this frigin' continent would offer some imports....I would gladly pay 5/10 bucks extra a day to do so. And no, a Nissan Sentra doesn't count.