More Cries of Racism on Apprentice

[looooob]

Originally posted by Mike F+Feb 18 2005, 01:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike F @ Feb 18 2005, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-transplant99@Feb 18 2005, 11:07 AM

How is it a "token" nod when in each of the previous Survivors (until this year) there were 16 people, and in the majority of those seasons, there were 2 blacks.

Thats just over 12% of the cast...and just over 12% of US citizens are black. Its a fair representation IMO.

So you think that a show like survivor should be cast exclusively based on the demographics of the country?

Do you really think that, when casting each show, they chose the 16 most interesting people and with only 3 exceptions it was exactly one black man and one black woman? It's just a coincidence?

Token - made, given, or existing merely because expected or required

It seems like, based on their casting history, either very few blacks apply for the show and so there are always many, many more interesting white contestants, however they still cast one black man and one black woman merely because expected or required , or they don't feel that black contestants appeal to their target audience and so they cast prodominantly white contestants, keeping one black man and one black woman merely because expected or required.

Either way it would make them token nods to minorities. [/b][/quote]
while I kind of understand your point, I think they cast the whole show that way (following up on flaming homer's post)

one black guy
one black girl
one asian and or hispanic
a gay guy
a lawyer
a hick
a hunkey guy
two hot girls
a bowtie guy
a moron
an old guy
an old lady(*old people need not apply to Apprentice though)
etc

so the whole show is token casting in a way. I'm sure you could find a formula that would predict the cast of survivor/bigbrother/apprentice every time

[Mike F]

Originally posted by 4X4@Feb 18 2005, 12:42 PM
So what are you saying, Mike F? Are you saying that Burnett and/or Trump are racists? Are you saying that the only reason thay put black people on their shows is because they HAVE to? And because they have to, they pick the flakiest ones?

Wouldn't Omarosa be insulting herself by bringing this whole thing up?

This is a big conspiracy isn't it Mike... The big bad white man is trying to stick black people in their place by accurately representing their audience's demographic and simultaneously casting the three flakiest black women in america. I bet it was on the application:

1. Do you have business experience?

2. What is your education?

3. Are you a loose cannon that might make your particular race appear to be as human as the rest of humanity?

No I don't think it's racist, it's ratings.

Basically I think it's along the lines of what loob posited. I think they have an idea of the demographic of audience they want the show to appeal to and in their opinion that audience doesn't want to see a cast with a sizable number of black contestants. Or I should say (in a more positive frame) that, for advertising reasons, they want to appeal to rich, 18-34 year old white people, and those people are most interested in tuning in to watch people like themselves. However they do set aside two spots for black contestants because they feel it's required or expected.

Now I freely admit that that's just my theory and I could be wrong, but if you want me to abandon it for another explanation you have to come up with an explanation for the striking pattern beyond "it's a coincidence"

[Homer_J]

Amirosa makes my blood boil. She's lazy, selfish, condescending and she proven that she'll pull the race card at the drop of a hat. She loves to feel like a victim and blame her problems on anyone but herself. She would never take responsiblity.

Tara, on the other hand, is one of my favourites in the 3rd season. It's true, she has flown under the radar to an extent, but I'm guessing she doesn't want to be part of the other contestants gong show. When she gets involved you can tell she's intelligent, business savvy and creative. I would never compare her to Amirosa.

And I think far less of Michael than I do of Verna. Verna had a break down, but Michael's just plain useless. Burnett's making us white men look bad.

[browna]

[quote]Originally posted by Mike F@Feb 18 2005, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by 4X4,Feb 18 2005, 12:42 PM

Or I should say (in a more positive frame) that, for advertising reasons, they want to appeal to rich, 18-34 year old white people, and those people are most interested in tuning in to watch people like themselves. However they do set aside two spots for black contestants because they feel it's required or expected.

Well, then the casting doesn't seem to represent the population that is watching.... 2nd income earner female admin assistants, because those are the only people I hear talk about Survivor on Friday mornings.

On the Apprentice, few are married, and IIRC, not that many each Survivor are married/ have kids. Or do you see 40% or so noticelby overweight.

How is that appealing to the upper middle class 18-34 white folk that are supposed to be j"just like them"?

Its a mix, for game purposes and for suppsed "good reality TV".

[transplant99]

Originally posted by Mike F+Feb 18 2005, 03:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike F @ Feb 18 2005, 03:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-transplant99@Feb 18 2005, 11:07 AM

How is it a "token" nod when in each of the previous Survivors (until this year) there were 16 people, and in the majority of those seasons, there were 2 blacks.

Thats just over 12% of the cast...and just over 12% of US citizens are black. Its a fair representation IMO.

So you think that a show like survivor should be cast exclusively based on the demographics of the country?

Do you really think that, when casting each show, they chose the 16 most interesting people and with only 3 exceptions it was exactly one black man and one black woman? It's just a coincidence?

Token - made, given, or existing merely because expected or required

It seems like, based on their casting history, either very few blacks apply for the show and so there are always many, many more interesting white contestants, however they still cast one black man and one black woman merely because expected or required , or they don't feel that black contestants appeal to their target audience and so they cast prodominantly white contestants, keeping one black man and one black woman merely because expected or required.

Either way it would make them token nods to minorities. [/b][/quote]
Sure...Ok....fine.

Then EVERY single person being cast...is "token". Making them all exactly equal.

[4X4]

Originally posted by Mike F@Feb 18 2005, 02:19 PM
Now I freely admit that that's just my theory and I could be wrong, but if you want me to abandon it for another explanation you have to come up with an explanation for the striking pattern beyond "it's a coincidence"

No, I agree that it is not a coincidence. I'm just lashing out at all the would be racism. I noted in my second post that maybe I shouldn't have directed the comments to you so much as the world.

Its just becming such an old & tired tune. Racism this & racism that. There are so many special interest groups these days, its mind boggling. I think there should be a '5'10" +, caucasion, north american, straight, male, english speaking special interest group. I'm not gay or female or french so I don't get to cry foul when I'm passed over in a job competition. I don't care if the woman I competed with has more experience, I didn't get hired because I'm male.

The cop gave me that ticket because I'm white.

The hospital admitted me 2 hours later not because it was a minor cut, but because I speak english.


It seem like all these groups want to have their cake & eat it too. They want to be treated equally, but god forbid if the top 5 candidates are all white men, the company hires 5 white men.


I'm not trying to say that the world is perfect & that racism does not exist. I am saying that quite often, radicals within these groups embellish everyday things & spin them into 'racism'.


My scorn doesn't stop there. The CRTC needs to be dragged into this too. These guys have such an inferiority complex for canadian artists, that they set guidelines to ensure that a certain percentage of canadian content is broadcast on radio & television. IMO, all this does is lower the bar for canadian artists & create a false sense if success by forcing their 'art' on the canadian public.
What is wrong with canadians just trying harder so that they get heard over top of the many many american & british etc. artists that are simply better?

Avril Lavine (gag) gets spun in the states, Shania, BNL, Celine Dion, Mike Myers, even the 2 kings of dorks Alex Trebek & the dad from Growing Pains.
These artists have no problem mkaing their way onto our radios & TVs, why must we prop up the ones that can't?

I know this rant is going way off on a tangent so I'll wrap it up by saying that maybe if people would look at themselves before pointing the finger at everyone else, the world would discover that there is a heck of a lot less 'racism' than what we all think there is.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by KevanGuy+Feb 18 2005, 01:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KevanGuy @ Feb 18 2005, 01:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-4X4@Feb 18 2005, 01:47 PM
This reminds me of the whole Sienfeld is racist BS.

I don't remember that. Whats the story? [/b][/quote]
I don't know if there really was much of a story, but some busybodies did get on them for not having more black characters considering they live in New York City.

I think to take the wind out of that sail there was one episode where George tries really hard to befriend a black person for some reason or other. Someone mentioned maybe that he didn't have minority friends or something along those lines.

In another episode Elaine dated that guy she thought was black and sort of exotic because of it. He was dating her because he thought she was Hispanic because of her last name. When they discovered they were "just a couple of white people" they were both disappointed and I think the punchline was "let's go to the Gap".

Sort of a strange phenomenon where certain people are offended if they feel they are left out of these things. Everyone on the Apprentice, regardless of sex or ethnicity, eventually looks like a buffoon at least for a little while. The characters on Seinfeld were not exactly the type of people you want to look up to. Sure it was all white people, but they were all deranged.

[browna]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Feb 18 2005, 04:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Feb 18 2005, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I don't remember that. Whats the story?

I don't know if there really was much of a story, but some busybodies did get on them for not having more black characters considering they live in New York City.

I think to take the wind out of that sail there was one episode where George tries really hard to befriend a black person for some reason or other. Someone mentioned maybe that he didn't have minority friends or something along those lines.

In another episode Elaine dated that guy she thought was black and sort of exotic because of it. He was dating her because he thought she was Hispanic because of her last name. When they discovered they were "just a couple of white people" they were both disappointed and I think the punchline was "let's go to the Gap".

Sort of a strange phenomenon where certain people are offended if they feel they are left out of these things. Everyone on the Apprentice, regardless of sex or ethnicity, eventually looks like a buffoon at least for a little while. The characters on Seinfeld were not exactly the type of people you want to look up to. Sure it was all white people, but they were all deranged. [/b][/quote]
I recall the 2nd to last Seinfeld, when they got stuck in the Puerto Rico day Parade.

At the end, (but in some repeats I think I saw it edited out) Seinfeld's car that they left (to go watch the baseball game) was found on the sidewalk/in the dugout of a brownstone townhome. Prompting Kramer to make the remark "This stuff happens every weekend in Peurto Rico"

The Puerto Rican community wanted people to boycott the final episode as a result.