MADD supports public drunkiness tickets for people waiting for designated drivers

[flip]

Originally Posted by Muta

No, you're thinking of Mormons Against Drugs and Drinking.

Except that Mormons aren't really considered Christians...

Well they consider themselves Christian but all the other Christian denominations don't recognize them as Christians.

[mykalberta]

MADD as an organization is no better than anything else. The message they send is a good one, too bad the organization is run like it is.

[CGYTransplant]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

MADD seems to be hell-bent on bringing back prohibition.

everyone should check this article out, courtesy of Modern Drunkard Magazine:

http://www.drunkard.com/issues/08_02...hting_madd.htm

I have heard this several times, from several different sources, and I can't for the life of me figure out why people are so surprised. You want to guarantee that there will NEVER be another alcohol-related car accident? Then ban all access to all forms of alcohol- if it can't be purchased, manufactured or distributed in any way, then your problem is solved!

Of course, that is true IN THEORY, but in theory Communism works. North America tried that already, and it was an abject failure (except in parts of Utah, I'm told- I've never been). Prohibition would be a super-fail, again, and very expensive to enforce, and would just be adding ANOTHER black market item for people to fight over.

It is too bad that what is essentially a good cause has been corrupted in such a pervasive way. I mean, I don't think anyone can really state that Driving Drunk is safe, or a positive action....but I don't think total prohibition is going to solve the issue.

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by CGYTransplant

I have heard this several times, from several different sources, and I can't for the life of me figure out why people are so surprised. You want to guarantee that there will NEVER be another alcohol-related car accident? Then ban all access to all forms of alcohol- if it can't be purchased, manufactured or distributed in any way, then your problem is solved!

Of course, that is true IN THEORY, but in theory Communism works. North America tried that already, and it was an abject failure (except in parts of Utah, I'm told- I've never been). Prohibition would be a super-fail, again, and very expensive to enforce, and would just be adding ANOTHER black market item for people to fight over.

It is too bad that what is essentially a good cause has been corrupted in such a pervasive way. I mean, I don't think anyone can really state that Driving Drunk is safe, or a positive action....but I don't think total prohibition is going to solve the issue.

yeah, the sledgehammer theory always seems to take control over any common sense when it comes to public action groups. I remember back in the early '90s in Lethbridge when they decided to sell beer at the baseball park, and MADD went into conniptions claiming the park's proximity to a major road would cause drunk driving to skyrocket. Think they'll try to ban hand sanitizer after reading all these stories of teenagers drinking it?

[slcrocket]

Originally Posted by flip

Except that Mormons aren't really considered Christians...

Well they consider themselves Christian but all the other Christian denominations don't recognize them as Christians.

Which is crazy, but not relevant to the thread.

[pepper24]

Originally Posted by flip

i've heard that madd has basically turned into a crazy christian organization.

Any truth to that?

nm

[flamesflames444]

I can understand that there may be a few people in that org that have been adverseley affected by drunk drivers.... but some of their tactics are over the top

[Locke]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Why is MADD's CEO a man?

Its "Basic Corporate Structure 101," let the Women scream and whine while the Men run the company so it doesnt go tits up.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by flip

I've heard that MADD has basically turned into a crazy Christian organization.

Any truth to that?

It sounds like a restart of the Woman's' Christian Temperance Union

[jar_e]

It would be pretty ridiculous for MADD to disagree with it...to butt heads with the police who are obviously the body that's able to enforce things would be taking a step backwards.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by jar_e

It would be pretty ridiculous for MADD to disagree with it...to butt heads with the police who are obviously the body that's able to enforce things would be taking a step backwards.

So are you saying that MADD was right to not disagree with the police for fear that the police would stop enforcing drunk driving laws as a reprecussion?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by jar_e

It would be pretty ridiculous for MADD to disagree with it...to butt heads with the police who are obviously the body that's able to enforce things would be taking a step backwards.

Really? Because it seems to me that the police are targeting people who are doing what MADD asks them to do, which is not drink and drive. I don't expect police to allow drunks to hang out on the street all night, but people waiting for cabs and drivers at bar closing time are doing the right thing and being punished for it.

This reminds me of the brilliant strategy employed by my former local municipality, a college town that prohibited parking on ALL streets between 2am and 6am. Drive somewhere in town and have too much to drink and your choices are to take the guaranteed $50 ticket or take the chance of driving home. Remember, this is a college town, so the decision making process of many residents is somewhat lacking and the choice to roll the dice was pretty much a no-brainer for many. The only other options were to plan ahead (again, not a strong suit among the demographic) or park in one of 2 garages that were 6-8 blocks from many of the areas people would congregate in. I've never seen such an obvious cash over safety way of thinking.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

So are you saying that MADD was right to not disagree with the police for fear that the police would stop enforcing drunk driving laws as a reprecussion?

I'm saying the police give MADD a lot of soap box time and that partnership is obviously a very strong relationship (though it benefits both sides in a public relations perspective).

Its not that police would stop enforcing drunk drivers...its just MADD would look pretty silly when they can't be at the checkstops doing their grand standing anymore.

[flip]

Originally Posted by pepper24

nm

I know you edited your post but is there any reason why you uncapitalized Christian when you quoted me?

(sorry totally OT)

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by valo403

Really? Because it seems to me that the police are targeting people who are doing what MADD asks them to do, which is not drink and drive. I don't expect police to allow drunks to hang out on the street all night, but people waiting for cabs and drivers at bar closing time are doing the right thing and being punished for it.

So everyone who gets a public intoxication ticket was going to drive home with a DD or a cab? And really, that should have no bearing on why police would write that ticket anyways.

There's limited info in that article (which reads more as an opinion piece than a news article) so I'm not saying police did the right thing or not. But if its anything like in Calgary...you'd need to be causing some sort of issue for police to write such a ticket.

Edit: and furthermore I think its a stretch to say police are "targeting" people waiting for DD's, cabs, etc. People were getting these tickets long before this story came out too.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by jar_e

So everyone who gets a public intoxication ticket was going to drive home with a DD or a cab? And really, that should have no bearing on why police would write that ticket anyways.

There's limited info in that article (which reads more as an opinion piece than a news article) so I'm not saying police did the right thing or not. But if its anything like in Calgary...you'd need to be causing some sort of issue for police to write such a ticket.

Edit: and furthermore I think its a stretch to say police are "targeting" people waiting for DD's, cabs, etc. People were getting these tickets long before this story came out too.

Where did I say that "everyone who gets a public intoxication ticket was going to drive home with a DD or a cab?"??

The point remains that people are apparently getting tickets while waiting to do the right thing. Like you said we have limited info, but if true this comes down to another case of failure to use discretion. If people are causing problems by all means give them a ticket, I've already said that in this thread. If people are standing around drunk waiting for a cab there's no need to ticket. Seems pretty simple.

[7uongo]

Originally Posted by troutman

I've said this before, but I never understood the MADD acronym. Are there any mothers in favour if drinking and driving?

Well, maybe Joyce Dewitt:

It looks like Janice had to put up with Jack alittle too long...