Any Saw fans here??

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

I always like the stories in the saw movies, the way they explain everything is pretty cool. Add to the immense gore and unique ways the people die, I really like the movies.

Saw 1 was the best by far though.

To be fair, I really don't think the makers are ever trying to re-create the first one or trying to out-do the first one. I think they know they won't be able to make something better. Rather than try to fail to duplicate the first movie, they have taken it 10 steps further. By comparison, Jigsaw is an amateur in the first move than what his master plan is in the sequels. The simplicity is what made the first one so great and we really hadn't seen a movie like that before. It was so edgy and fresh. Sure there have been movies where the killer is trying to get the same point across like Jigsaw(John Doe is Seven immeadiately comes to mind) but James Wan totally put a different spin on the vigilante type killer. That's why number one is so damn good.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

I've never seen a Saw movie, horror movies aren't really my scene. What I've heard is either there great or terrible, no middle ground, why is that?

Its torture pron. Either you get off on watching people tortured in horrific ways, and die slow gruesome deaths, or you don't.

[Peanut]

I'm a hater, I'll admit it.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by pylon

Its torture pron. Either you get off on watching people tortured in horrific ways, and die slow gruesome deaths, or you don't.

So much more than torture porn. Such a horrible label. If it was just 90 minutes of nasty torture scenes, then I would not be watching them at all.

[ResAlien]

I'm not a hater, I thought the first one was amazing, Carey Elwes terrible acting notwithstanding. After that though, the franchise went downhill into Hostel territory. Im sure the new one is good for those still into this kind of thing

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I'm not a hater, I thought the first one was amazing, Carey Elwes terrible acting notwithstanding. After that though, the franchise went downhill into Hostel territory. Im sure the new one is good for those still into this kind of thing

Oh man, was he bad.....so was Leigh Whannel.....come to think of it, I can't think of any mediocre performances outside of Tobin Bell in any of the Saw movies. The guy who plays Hoffman is alright. The dude who plays Agent Strahm in four and five is just dreadful.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

So much more than torture porn. Such a horrible label. If it was just 90 minutes of nasty torture scenes, then I would not be watching them at all.

The main premise of the films is self inflicted torture. I would say on average, if you added up all the time there is on screen torture of some kind, be it mental or physical, it would occupy at least half of any one of the films.

I will admit the first one was good, because it was an excellent story, with a few neat twists but from there on it is basically the exact same film over and over. Dude is a bad selfish person, dude has to do something horrible and maim himself to get out of trap to prove he values life, dude usually fails, jigsaw wins, jigsaw has cancer and is a tortured misunderstood soul who is po'd some junky opened a door into his wifes belly and killed his kid.

They should have stopped at 2 or 3, and the declining box office gross for each film seems to suggest that as well.

The reason these are labelled torture porn is because the vast majority of the audience that likes these films, get off on the brutality. Otherwords what point is there to watch? The immersive story line an 11th grader could dream up?

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by pylon

The main premise of the films is self inflicted torture. I would say on average, if you added up all the time there is on screen torture of some kind, be it mental or physical, it would occupy at least half of any one of the films.

I will admit the first one was good, because it was an excellent story, with a few neat twists but from there on it is basically the exact same film over and over. Dude is a bad selfish person, dude has to do something horrible and maim himself to get out of trap to prove he values life, dude usually fails, jigsaw wins, jigsaw has cancer and is a tortured misunderstood soul who is po'd some junky opened a door into his wifes belly and killed his kid.

They should have stopped at 2 or 3, and the declining box office gross for each film seems to suggest that as well.

The reason these are labelled torture porn is because the vast majority of the audience that likes these films, get off on the brutality. Otherwords what point is there to watch? The immersive story line an 11th grader could dream up?

The story is actually pretty damn good and not the easiest thing to write. It spans over 6 movies, involved many primary characters, goes back and forth thru numerous timelines and remains interesting, at least to me. You or me couldn't write anything half as interesting or complex. And yes, the story is very complex, there's just so much back story that goes into these movies. The proof is in the pudding. If you go watch number six without seeing the last movie, you will be COMPLETELY LOST!!!

And I don't believe that the majority of people see these flicks just solely for the torture. Some people, yes. Some people really enjoy that. But the majority goes because there is so much more to these films like a very interesting character in Jigsaw.


For the record, I believe they shouldn't have made this many flicks. The concept is rather stale and watered down by this point, but I'm still interested to see where this story goes and will watch them till they close the franchise.


For Saw fans.....i've scanned the imdb boards and there is a common perception that this is the best Saw flick since the first one. And no, people don't say this after every flick.

[C_Rush]

Meh... Se7en was a far superior film and didn't need multiple lame-ass sequels to flog the same crap to death. The first Saw was just alright, couldn't care less about the rest. And I love horror movies....

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by C_Rush

Meh... Se7en was a far superior film and didn't need multiple lame-ass sequels to flog the same crap to death. The first Saw was just alright, couldn't care less about the rest. And I love horror movies....

I dont think you're gonna get too many people who believe Saw is better than Seven. It's not even close. Seven is on my all time top 10 movies. Just brilliant stuff.

[C_Rush]

I agree, Se7en makes the top 10 for me as well. I like the concept behind the Saw films, but the over-the-top graphic torture just kills it for me (no pun intended); Se7en generated a far more visceral reaction by just planting the seeds and letting the audience's imagination fill in the horror - Saw's need to splatter it all in your face with HD surround-sound takes some of the fun out of it all.

[RedMileDJ]

Seen all the movies in the theater and own all of them on DVD. Can't wait to see this one. I'm still convinced that Dr. Gordon is still alive and SOMEHOW connected to all of the story. edit: Why do I believe he's alive? No body. We've seen ALL other characters die, but him. All we hear is "he's believed to be dead" Am I wrong here?

[pylon]

Originally Posted by C_Rush

I agree, Se7en makes the top 10 for me as well. I like the concept behind the Saw films, but the over-the-top graphic torture just kills it for me (no pun intended); Se7en generated a far more visceral reaction by just planting the seeds and letting the audience's imagination fill in the horror - Saw's need to splatter it all in your face with HD surround-sound takes some of the fun out of it all.

Great point. The violence in Se7en was secondary, and more frightening since it was implied, and you only saw the end result. They respected the intelligence of the audience enough to let them put it all together for themselves. No offense Vanfan, but Saw kinda caters to the lowest common denominator. There is gonna be a small percentage of the fans that will dissect the timeline and character elements of the films, but for the better part, its the gore that sells the films.

At least in Hostel, they had a bare bones plot and just got to the point and started torturing and dismembering people. To me that respects the torture porn fan. Each to their own.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by pylon

Great point. The violence in Se7en was secondary, and more frightening since it was implied, and you only saw the end result. They respected the intelligence of the audience enough to let them put it all together for themselves. No offense Vanfan, but Saw kinda caters to the lowest common denominator. There is gonna be a small percentage of the fans that will dissect the timeline and character elements of the films, but for the better part, its the gore that sells the films.

At least in Hostel, they had a bare bones plot and just got to the point and started torturing and dismembering people. To me that respects the torture porn fan. Each to their own.

I'm not sure I've actually even been able to watch another scary movie since I saw Se7en.

[Prototype]

I haven't watch V, which is why I'm in no rush to see VI, but I haven't seen any of them in theaters. I love watching the SAW series in the comforts of my own home.

I personally enjoyed SAW more than Se7en. I get the idea of what Se7en was trying to do... but the ending was ruined for me, and I just didn't get into it.

The thing that hooked me with SAW 1 even though it was an hour and a half of horrible acting, and somewhat shoddy story, mixed in with gore, gore, and more gore... the ending blew me away, and had me hooked (no pun intended).

2 seemed to stray from what made 1 work, but again, the well thought out ending justified everything. 3 got back to basics, and back to what made 1 so great, with one of the most disturbing sceens I have ever layed my eyes upon, in the school classroom... I had to shut it off for a sec, and gather myself.

4 was hard to watch again, cause IIRC, I bought 4 and 5 at the same time, and read the back of the cases... which 5 contains a spoiler to 4.

The fact of the matter is, with the SAW series, you can always expect a left field ending, which makes sense to the story... unlike whatever M. Night Shamalamalan seems to try and pass off as anything that makes sense.

I'll probably watch 5 sometime this week. My buddies and I have always tried to set up a "SAW-a-thon" watching all of them in a row... hasn't happened yet.

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