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mikey_the_redneck · 10-07-2009, 04:09 PM

I'm not a speed demon by any means, and I dont even remember the last time I got a speeding ticket.

I am however, against the idea of trying to squeeze every penny possible out of the middle class for more cop revenues........It just gets worse and worse. One day there will be a camera on every street corner and if you spit on the sidewalk or fart (or some other tragedy) they send you a ticket in the mail. Not my idea of a "free" society.

CrusaderPi · 10-07-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I'm not a speed demon by any means, and I dont even remember the last time I got a speeding ticket.

I am however, against the idea of trying to squeeze every penny possible out of the middle class for more cop revenues........It just gets worse and worse. One day there will be a camera on every street corner and if you spit on the sidewalk or fart (or some other tragedy) they send you a ticket in the mail. Not my idea of a "free" society.

Yes, but we'll all be safe. And isn't that the point?

Dion · 10-07-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I'm not a speed demon by any means, and I dont even remember the last time I got a speeding ticket.

I am however, against the idea of trying to squeeze every penny possible out of the middle class for more cop revenues........It just gets worse and worse. One day there will be a camera on every street corner and if you spit on the sidewalk or fart (or some other tragedy) they send you a ticket in the mail. Not my idea of a "free" society.

How is this revenue filled if you're not speeding?

Then again do you really care about safety on the roads?

jammies · 10-07-2009, 04:21 PM

My only objection is the commentary insinuating that people slowing down to avoid getting speeding tickets is somehow counter-productive to the purpose of speed traps - to me, that's like natural selection to ensure you catch the people that are not only speeding, but aren't paying sufficient attention to the road and other drivers. I'd rather they catch one guy oblivious to anything but his booming stereo and the next gap to accelerate into, then the nine out of ten people who are speeding with the rest of the traffic.

DementedReality · 10-07-2009, 05:43 PM

my issue isnt catching speeders, its more that the cops seem to think of it as a game, not prevention.

they shouldnt be finding ways to issue more tickets, they should be finding ways to get people to slow down.

its not THEM vs US, its a matter of creating a safe enviroment for all drivers. one of the comments about how "tricky" it is to catch people really emphasizes the mindset of law enforcement.

lets see how many we can tally up today instead of lets see how many we can get to slow down.

anyone else?

DementedReality · 10-07-2009, 05:47 PM

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My only objection is the commentary insinuating that people slowing down to avoid getting speeding tickets is somehow counter-productive to the purpose of speed traps -....

exactly! isnt that what they are trying to acheive? the slowing down of traffic should be their goal, not issuing tickets!

a day where no fines were issued should be celebrated as a success, since it means no one was speeding.

this is what i take issue with.

jar_e · 10-07-2009, 06:43 PM

Are the stripes a quarter mile apart? So what would be the time difference between someone doing 110 and 130? Because I can wager a bet that you goto court and fight the ticket and if they really are doing it by stop watch it'll be the easiest ticket you get out of...

chalms04 · 10-07-2009, 06:55 PM

So that's what those horizontal yellow lines on the QE2 are for... that's been bugging me for ages.

Nuje · 10-07-2009, 07:08 PM

My question is, where are the cops when people stop in merge lanes in front of me? Or worse yet, when an off-ramp leads to a road into its own lane? That is more dangerous than the majority of speeding........

But that's enough ranting about that. As far as the air-patrol....clever for sure. Since they use a stopwatch, no radar etc. can help you (unless you have an actual radar, that picks up the plane and displays it on your dash...and that's VERY doubtful). Guess I'll have to be even more careful. It's been about 7 years since I've gotten a ticket...which was my only one. I drive safely....but over the speed limit often.

Mad Mel · 10-07-2009, 07:28 PM

Though I agree that it's a revenue trap.... if they actually were interested in having people slow down for the purpose of safety, they'd do what they do in some European countries. On the freeway, you go past a camera, it takes a photo of your license plate. A few km later, you go past another camera takes your photo. A computer figures out your speed, and sends you a ticket if you got from A to B too quickly. The cameras are well signed, everyone knows they're there, everyone slows down.

Dan02 · 10-07-2009, 07:30 PM

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Though I agree that it's a revenue trap.... if they actually were interested in having people slow down for the purpose of safety, they'd do what they do in some European countries. On the freeway, you go past a camera, it takes a photo of your license plate. A few km later, you go past another camera takes your photo. A computer figures out your speed, and sends you a ticket if you got from A to B too quickly. The cameras are well signed, everyone knows they're there, everyone slows down.

How tempting would it be to just gun it then pull over and wait for the cars you passed to all pass you back before going past the second camera

TheU · 10-07-2009, 07:44 PM

you know what? i personally like this move. why have rcmp and cops out there cracking down on record high gang violence, when they can be roaming the streets and the sky looking to steal/tax/collect more revenue from the middle and lower class?

jar_e · 10-07-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheU

you know what? i personally like this move. why have rcmp and cops out there cracking down on record high gang violence, when they can be roaming the streets and the sky looking to steal/tax/collect more revenue from the middle and lower class?

What affects more people? Speeders/car accidents/traffic problems or gang violence?

That's your answer on why things like this get funded.

Dion · 10-07-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheU

you know what? i personally like this move. why have rcmp and cops out there cracking down on record high gang violence, when they can be roaming the streets and the sky looking to steal/tax/collect more revenue from the middle and lower class?

How can they steal or collect reveune from the middle and lower class if you don't speed?

There are no victims only volunteers.

TheU · 10-07-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jar_e

What affects more people? Speeders/car accidents/traffic problems or gang violence?

That's your answer on why things like this get funded.

Your right, because handing out tickets is in the process of solving this speeding issue. A few more years of this and people will just stop speeding. On the other hand why even have gang units? We should allow gangs free reign over the city, after all, it only affects the losers in the NE right? Who cares about poor people.

Dion · 10-07-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheU

Your right, because handing out tickets is in the process of solving this speeding issue. A few more years of this and people will just stop speeding. On the other hand why even have gang units? We should allow gangs free reign over the city, after all, it only affects the losers in the NE right? Who cares about poor people.

Good point. Lets turn all highways into Autobauns and let drivers drive at whatever speed they want. Then the RCMP and police can focus all it's efforts on gangs. Wait, I forgot there is nobody working the gang units.

jar_e · 10-07-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheU

Your right, because handing out tickets is in the process of solving this speeding issue. A few more years of this and people will just stop speeding. On the other hand why even have gang units? We should allow gangs free reign over the city, after all, it only affects the losers in the NE right? Who cares about poor people.

Ok first off, this is an RCMP initiative. If you want to talk CPS, Calgary has like 8 or 9 "gang" units already. There's a lot more than people know and here about in the news and gang violence has gone down significantly in the past 8 months. Check the news, check the stats, everything has been down in regards to gang violence.

And you obviously have a small and narrow view of gang violence and gang life in Calgary if you think it only affects the NW. A large portion of these gang members live in prominent and wealthy communities and live equally spread out across the city.

I really don't understand why people are so quick to jump on the "well people are dying in a gang war and they're putting money towards traffic!" bandwagon. Policing is complex and there are so many branches that its impossible to say we must have one with out the other. You need all of those branches to effectively police.

TheU · 10-07-2009, 08:06 PM

the problem is that every day i drive in calgary i see a cop somewhere in his car scarfing down donuts and a coffee with a radar gun in hand, and i dont see cops working on other problems. perception is reality, and i admit im probably at least 30% wrong on this maybe a lot more, but thems the breaks. you wont find me pulling over and thanking a cop for keeping the streets safe by sitting in his cruiser for 5 hours

4X4 · 10-07-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheU

the problem is that every day i drive in calgary i see a cop somewhere in his car scarfing down donuts and a coffee with a radar gun in hand, and i dont see cops working on other problems. perception is reality, and i admit im probably at least 30% wrong on this maybe a lot more, but thems the breaks. you wont find me pulling over and thanking a cop for keeping the streets safe by sitting in his cruiser for 5 hours

Lol. The drama.

Every morning I stop at Timmys on 17th and there's at least a cruiser in the parking lot and often two of them. Then there are 4 dirty lazy pigs sitting inside the donuut shop slacking off while crime is out there being committed.
How dare they get a coffee break. Crime is going on 24/7 and these lazy a-holes are getting a bite to eat and a coffee? On my tax dollars? It's a bloody wonder any crimes gets solved in this city.

TheU · 10-07-2009, 08:29 PM

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Lol. The drama.

Every morning I stop at Timmys on 17th and there's at least a cruiser in the parking lot and often two of them. Then there are 4 dirty lazy pigs sitting inside the donuut shop slacking off while crime is out there being committed.
How dare they get a coffee break. Crime is going on 24/7 and these lazy a-holes are getting a bite to eat and a coffee? On my tax dollars? It's a bloody wonder any crimes gets solved in this city.

is sarcastic and obnoxious hyperbole the ONLY way you debate things?