Battle of Alberta Part 2: Eskimos at Stampeders - Labour Day Classics

[krazycanuck]

Originally Posted by The Special One

This is why the CFL is bush league and the NFL gets much higher TV ratings even here in Canada.

link?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by The Special One

The CFL is minor league. Every single player who plays in this league would rather be on the practise roster of an NFL team than be the MVP on a CFL Grey Cup winning team.

Henry Burris spent some time on an NFL practice roster and so did Dave Dickenson. Both can back to the CFL as I suspect they'd rather being playing football. Any athlete will tell you that thier goal is to be playing as opposed to being on some practice roster. That and no one is going to stay forever on some practice roster if they have no chance of ever playing.

[The Special One]

Originally Posted by krazycanuck

link?

I can't even believe you are trying to contend this point. The NFL crushes the CFL in ratings here in Canada. I'm not talking Grey Cup ratings vs. Superbowl ratings, though they are quite close. I'm talking week in and week out. Monday Night Football in the NFL versus Friday Night Football in the CFL. Sunday morning/afternoon NFL football versus weekend CFL action.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by The Special One

Show me where I said you can make forty grand at Home Depot in six months.

You infered it by comparing the CFL to workers at Home Depot....."All of those offensive and defensive linemen are on forty grand Canadian a year. You'd make more working at Home Depot. This is why the CFL is bush league and the NFL gets much higher TV ratings even here in Canada."

[The Special One]

Originally Posted by Dion

Henry Burris spent some time on an NFL practice roster and so did Dave Dickenson. Both can back to the CFL as I suspect they'd rather being playing football. Any athlete will tell you that thier goal is to be playing as opposed to being on some practice roster. That and no one is going to stay forever on some practice roster if they have no chance of ever playing.

Wrong. Henry Burris was cut after a disastrous performance for the Chicago Bears on Monday Night Football back in 2001 or 2002. I remember it well. He couldn't get any NFL team to sign him so he turned up back in Canada.

Dave Dickenson was desperate to get on with another NFL team after he was cut by the Chargers, the last NFL team he was employed by. He was only one game short of qualifying for the minimum NFL pension, which only pays 50k a year for the rest of his life but that's a hell of a lot more than he'd make in the CFL playing five or six more years as the top paid player making 300-500k Canadian per year.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Dion

Henry Burris spent some time on an NFL practice roster and so did Dave Dickenson. Both can back to the CFL as I suspect they'd rather being playing football. Any athlete will tell you that thier goal is to be playing as opposed to being on some practice roster. That and no one is going to stay forever on some practice roster if they have no chance of ever playing.

You make it sound like Burris and Dickenson were alone in their decision to come back to the CFL. I'd say the fact they couldn't contend for a roster spot in the NFL had something to do with it, I don't recall anyone making a bid to keep them in the NFL.

And any player looking to play in the NFL would rather be on an NFL practice roster than a CFL roster, that's not really a disputed point.

[The Special One]

Originally Posted by Dion

You infered it by comparing the CFL to workers at Home Depot....."All of those offensive and defensive linemen are on forty grand Canadian a year. You'd make more working at Home Depot. This is why the CFL is bush league and the NFL gets much higher TV ratings even here in Canada."

Learn to to spell "inferred" before you starting arguing with adults. I didn't infer anything - you made an assumption based on something I didn't say.

What do you think Nik Lewis does in the off-season? What kind of jobs do you think offensive lineman on the Calgary Stampeders have in the off-season? I wouldn't play for the Calgary Stampeders if they guaranteed me a spot on their team for 40k a season. I've already made more as a 25 years old construction worker without working a single hour of overtime since the season began.

NFL players make more in a game than I'll likely make in a decade of hard work. Money talks and bullsh-t walks, that's why the NFL is king and nobody cares about the CFL, even in Canada.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by valo403

You make it sound like Burris and Dickenson were alone in their decision to come back to the CFL. I'd say the fact they couldn't contend for a roster spot in the NFL had something to do with it, I don't recall anyone making a bid to keep them in the NFL.

That's what i said in my previous post

[Dion]

Originally Posted by The Special One

Learn to to spell "inferred" before you starting arguing with adults. I didn't infer anything - you made an assumption based on something I didn't say.

Learn to spell? Are you some grammar nazi?

You compared 2 situations without clarifying what you ment.

What do you think Nik Lewis does in the off-season? What kind of jobs do you think offensive lineman on the Calgary Stampeders have in the off-season? I wouldn't play for the Calgary Stampeders if they guaranteed me a spot on their team for 40k a season. I've already made more as a 25 years old construction worker without working a single hour of overtime since the season began.

You seem to know everything. You tell us what Nik Lewis does in the offseason?

NFL players make more in a game than I'll likely make in a decade of hard work. Money talks and bullsh-t walks, that's why the NFL is king and nobody cares about the CFL, even in Canada.

I care about the CFL as well as many countless Canadians.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by krazycanuck

link?

Are you serious LOL

The Pittsburgh Steelers’ victory over the Seattle Seahawks in the Super Bowl was watched in an average of 45.85 million homes, the second-highest total in television history behind the final episode of "M*A*S*H*" in 1983.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/11205332/


Still, the audience increased marginally from last year, by 1 per cent, to 3.202 million. It peaked at 3.614 million between 8:30 p.m. and 9 p.m. EST.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/article857567.ece

years are different but get the idea, not sure why you would even ask for a link lol but here they are.

[3 Justin 3]

Who else dislikes "The Special One". The CFL is what it is. It isn't a "minor league", it is a major league in Canada. And stop making up false facts:

"NFL players make more in a game than I'll likely make in a decade of hard work. Money talks and bullsh-t walks, that's why the NFL is king and nobody cares about the CFL, even in Canada."

Sure they make more money, why does that make the NFL a better league? Plenty of people care about the CFL in Canada, get off Calgary Puck if your going to be an a-hole.


Edit: redmile he wasn't asking about the superbowl. Canada doesn't even have a population of 45 million. Think man, think.

[krazycanuck]

Originally Posted by The Special One

I can't even believe you are trying to contend this point. The NFL crushes the CFL in ratings here in Canada. I'm not talking Grey Cup ratings vs. Superbowl ratings, though they are quite close. I'm talking week in and week out. Monday Night Football in the NFL versus Friday Night Football in the CFL. Sunday morning/afternoon NFL football versus weekend CFL action.

where's the proof? There is none, because it's simply not the case. It is close, but the NFL on a week-to-week basis or during superbowl does not draw better than the CFL or grey cup here in Canada.

[The Special One]

Yeah, major league. Sure. Any kind in Canada grows up dreaming of playing in the Superbowl, not the Grey Cup. When guys can't make it in the NFL, some consider the CFL. Most don't because it pays so little compared to what they can do with college degrees in the USA.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by The Special One

Yeah, major league. Sure. Any kind in Canada grows up dreaming of playing in the Superbowl, not the Grey Cup. When guys can't make it in the NFL, some consider the CFL. Most don't because it pays so little compared to what they can do with college degrees in the USA.

Then maybe you can explain why there are so many excellent American college players on CFL rosters.

Could it be they love the game of football? Obviously not in your case.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by The Special One

Yeah, major league. Sure. Any kind in Canada grows up dreaming of playing in the Superbowl, not the Grey Cup. When guys can't make it in the NFL, some consider the CFL. Most don't because it pays so little compared to what they can do with college degrees in the USA.

Why is every argument you make about money. Money isn't everything, some of these guys want to be playing the game. Some of them want to play in the CFL, not the NFL. Your entire argument is "if you play in the NFL you make millions, in the CFL you make $40,000 (which is true), so the CFL is an inferior and "minor" league".

Why don't you just leave and let true football fans discuss the Labour day classic.

[The Special One]

Originally Posted by krazycanuck

where's the proof? There is none, because it's simply not the case. It is close, but the NFL on a week-to-week basis or during superbowl does not draw better than the CFL or grey cup here in Canada.

Grey Cup November 2008 ratings in Canada: It peaked at 3.614 million between 8:30 p.m. and 9 p.m. EST. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/article857567.ece

Superbowl February 2009 ratings in Canada:

Canadian ratings for Sunday's Super Bowl on CTV plunged 14 per cent to an estimated average of 3.602 million, down from 4.2 million last year.
An additional 691,000 watched Sunday's game in French on RDS, down from 905,000 in '08.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/st...l-ratings.html

Grey Cup ratings: 3.614 million at PEAK
Superbowl ratings in Canada: 3.602 + 691,000 in French = 4.293 MILLION

CHECK AND MATE

[The Special One]

Originally Posted by Dion

Then maybe you can explain why there are so many excellent American college players on CFL rosters.

Could it be they love the game of football? Obviously not in your case.

Explain to me why there is not a single Ivy League school alumni on a CFL roster. Not one.

[The Special One]

Originally Posted by Dion

Then maybe you can explain why there are so many excellent American college players on CFL rosters.

Could it be they love the game of football? Obviously not in your case.

You'd have to REALLY love football to be willing to travel up to Canada and play in COLD temperatures, make less money, while making Canadian money instead of "real" dollars, pay more taxes, put up with Canadians like you, etc etc etc.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by The Special One

Explain to me why there is not a single Ivy League school alumni on a CFL roster. Not one.

Answering a question with another question.....

Spoken like a true politician.

[The Special One]

Originally Posted by Dion

Then maybe you can explain why there are so many excellent American college players on CFL rosters.

It is pretty simple. Many NCAA players come out of college without degrees or with crappy degrees that don't pay good money. Rather than start their professional life right away, they'll agree to come up to the CFL and play here. Guys like Nik Lewis are a perfect example. He attended Southern Arkansas University (didn't graduate) but was far too small and not skilled enough to make it in the NFL. He went undrafted in 2003 didn't even get a single NFL tryout. He'd rather come up to Canada and make seventy grand Canadian a year playing in the CFL than make thirty thousand a year as a short order cook at a Denny's in Mineral Wells, Texas.

Any NCAA player who graduates with a proper degree from a reputable Division IA college can easily make more money working in an office than he can in the CFL. Forget love of the game. People have mouths to feed and other financial commitments. I'd love to go and play soccer down in Australia. I have financial commitments that keep me working a real job here in Calgary.