"Alberta education budget trimmed by $80M" CBC News

[Cowboy89]

The 'younger teachers could be the first to go' comment from the ATA is rich. It would only be the younger teachers because of union senority. In other words the only reason why it stands to be younger teachers is directly because of the union. If I was a young teacher I'd be annoyed that my union was waving me around as some kind of sympathy case to the public when the only reason I can't fight an even fight to keep my job is because of collective bargaining.

[mykalberta]

It should be easy to figure out where cuts need to be made.

What does Alberta spend on Education per capita compared to BC/Sask.

If we are in line with those provinces there is no need to cut. If we are far above those provinces then cut away. Same goes with Health Care, find out where we are per capita average of Sask/BC.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by bomber317

Actually, new teachers start around 50k ish. I don't remember the exact figure, but I think it was mid-50s.

Teachers aren't "poor" but the amount of work and time they put in even with the 2 months off makes their "hourly" pay not that great.

My gf is a teacher, but she got surplused this year. So she's going to be subbing. But the stories that she's been hearing from her old school has been a gong show due to the monetary restrictions.

I'm not sure how big the classes are this year, but she was teaching classes of 35+, which I thought was really high. When I was in high school, classes were around 25-30, back in the late 90's.

No they start around 42K. Which is enough to rent an apartment in Edmonton or Calgary.

[FLAMESRULE]

Originally Posted by wooohooo

Well of course I was exaggerating a bit but I would estimate a Rookie teacher makes around $40 000. A Doctor depending on his specialty can make over $150 000. So maybe I wasn't exaggerating all that much. I personally know GP that make over $400 000, but they own their own clinic so that's different.

You cant be serious...a doctor should ALWAYS make more than a teacher. They spend 7 years just to ge the Med degree then they can spend another 7 years specializing (most surgeons) or 3 years to be a GP. Most Doctors work much longer hours and under much more stressful conditions then any teacher.

Also there is a MUCH bigger shortage of family docs than teachers. How many people on here have a family doc?? You want to cure some of the health care problems, you get MORE family docs and take the load off the backend of the healthcare system by getting people to go there first and not the ER.

[mykalberta]

A nurse is a better comparison. Same sort of Education. doctors get paid what they get paid because very few people are qualified to be doctors, even those who are doctors. They dont deserve on par pay with US counterparts, but something close.

[Wookie]

I'm pretty sure new teachers were starting in the $50k salary range. I have a friend who just landed her first teaching job out of school, said as much, also is spending like she makes that much.

[bomber317]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

No they start around 42K. Which is enough to rent an apartment in Edmonton or Calgary.

Originally Posted by Wookie

I'm pretty sure new teachers were starting in the $50k salary range. I have a friend who just landed her first teaching job out of school, said as much, also is spending like she makes that much.

I'm pretty sure my gf said she new teachers started out in the 50k range.

where did you get your 42k number? Is this Public or Private (catholic)?

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Wookie

I'm pretty sure new teachers were starting in the $50k salary range. I have a friend who just landed her first teaching job out of school, said as much, also is spending like she makes that much.

Salaries are posted on the respective education board websites.

42K is what they start at if they have a basic ed degree. Escalating with experience and 6 years max schooling.

You can get more if you accept a job in a rural community but its living bonuses that prop you up, your salary is technically the same.

Edmonton Public School from my brother who just returned from teaching in Mexico. He has decided to tutor instead and then go to Australia to teach in Marchish. He has a Math/Physics/Ed degree.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

The 'younger teachers could be the first to go' comment from the ATA is rich. It would only be the younger teachers because of union senority. In other words the only reason why it stands to be younger teachers is directly because of the union. If I was a young teacher I'd be annoyed that my union was waving me around as some kind of sympathy case to the public when the only reason I can't fight an even fight to keep my job is because of collective bargaining.

Speaking with friends in administration, they would much sooner turf some of the older teachers because they make far more money compared to the younger teachers, exacerbating budgeting issues.

The money would be well spent if some of the older teachers performed better, but it sounds like the opposite is often true.

[bomber317]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Salaries are posted on the respective education board websites.

42K is what they start at if they have a basic ed degree. Escalating with experience and 6 years max schooling.

You can get more if you accept a job in a rural community but its living bonuses that prop you up, your salary is technically the same.

Edmonton Public School from my brother who just returned from teaching in Mexico. He has decided to tutor instead and then go to Australia to teach in Marchish. He has a Math/Physics/Ed degree.

Based on this website, http://www.education.gov.ab.ca/Facts...eacherpaid.asp

2003-2004 numbers are as follows

4 years ed - $43 653
6 years ed - $48 779

I can't seem to find 2009-2010 numbers but I'd imagine they'd be higher.

[Wookie]

Naturally, remuneration, or salary/wages, is a very important element of any occupational description and can influence individual decision-making in gathering the current labour market information for the purpose of a career choice. The following are a few examples of current salary/wage statistics for the healthcare industry in Alberta:


Average wage per hour
Average starting wage per hour
Average annual salary
Pharmacists:

$36.24
$35.16
$66,702
Registered Nurses
$29.63
$24.85
$51,817
Medical Laboratory Technologists
$29.58
$24.08
$47,219



As to Alberta’s physicians, they are most likely to use the traditional fee-for-service billing system rather than salaries and other payment systems. Currently, only 9% of Alberta doctors are on salaries. Average billing of family physicians stands at $238,182 per year and reaches $322,204 for specialists (note: billing payments to physicians do not equal income. Billings for work completed exclude overhead costs, which are about 50% for family physicians and 75% for specialists and taxes.) For more information about physicians’ fees and income, please go to:

Believe me, for all the school, education, training, hours they put in. It's often not nearly as lucrative as people think. (for Doctors)

The nurses rake it in with the overtime scams they pull. Not really scams, they just work the system to their benefit which everyone else would do.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by Wookie

The nurses rake it in with the overtime scams they pull. Not really scams, they just work the system to their benefit which everyone else would do.

OT...but that has to be addressed in the next contract with the nurses.

I know 2 nurses making killer money doing this...and then we wonder why our health care costs are so out of whack.

[bcb]

08/09 salary for a rookie teacher with 6 yrs university (B.SC, B.Ed) was $56,916 last year.

I do think that doctors have more education than teachers, and are higher in demand, thus should make a fair bit more than teachers.

My whole point of this thread was that threatening cuts to the Education system aren't reassuring to parents or teachers.

I am not complaining about my pay, rather it's just that the system is already very stressed. So a few cuts could end up going way too far.

[Dion]

I wonder when the Stelmach govt is going to lead by example and rescind the 30% + pay hikes they gave themselves last year?