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Dion · 08-09-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Fair enough, and while it wasn't directed at you, I stand by the comment. I'm not surprised. Two Calgary cops get assaulted last night, and nothing on CP about it. I really don't see the point in always bringing up these little incidents (usually from the USA) each time they hit the news (again, not directed at you, but everyone who posts them).

Why bring up the Virgin Fest incident when it appears to be an open and shut case. Pretty clear what happened there. That and I doubt the people charged are going to complain how police handled the incident.

TurnedTheCorner · 08-09-2009, 10:52 AM

Tase 'em all I say. These stories crack me up.

Agamemnon · 08-09-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Fair enough, and while it wasn't directed at you, I stand by the comment. I'm not surprised. Two Calgary cops get assaulted last night, and nothing on CP about it. I really don't see the point in always bringing up these little incidents (usually from the USA) each time they hit the news (again, not directed at you, but everyone who posts them).

I don't see how playing tit-for-tat with news stories helps though. There should be hundreds of examples daily where cops have done the right thing, thousands even. We don't run news stories about those events because it's what their paid to do. In fact, as the only group in society that really has a monopoly on violence, every single action of theirs should be intensely monitored, discussed, and judged, both by the public and government (internal affairs and such). They're not heroes, they're paid employees, and as their employers (society/government), we should be watching every single incident.

I'm not sure the taser ended up being the greatest idea. If the cops didn't have the taser in that situation, would they have clubbed or shot these people instead? The taser allows a casual level of violence that is too easy for a cop to justify, imo. I'm not worried about the health issues so much as the grotesque authoritarian style of it, just zapping an individual who might be drunk or upset seems (to me) to degrade the civility of our societies.

I don't recall law enforcement being entirely stumped on how to arrest people prior to the taser.

metallicat · 08-09-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

It's not surprising that a couple of cops might get assaulted at a music festival. It is surprising that a grandfather and pregnant mom would get tasered at a baptism.

It's not surprising? I find it deplorable. People getting way too drunk to be able to control their actions that the assault peace officers. And the police in this particular case in the US are denying she is in fact pregnant.

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I don't see how playing tit-for-tat with news stories helps though. There should be hundreds of examples daily where cops have done the right thing, thousands even. We don't run news stories about those events because it's what their paid to do. In fact, as the only group in society that really has a monopoly on violence, every single action of theirs should be intensely monitored, discussed, and judged, both by the public and government (internal affairs and such). They're not heroes, they're paid employees, and as their employers (society/government), we should be watching every single incident.

I'm not sure the taser ended up being the greatest idea. If the cops didn't have the taser in that situation, would they have clubbed or shot these people instead? The taser allows a casual level of violence that is too easy for a cop to justify, imo. I'm not worried about the health issues so much as the grotesque authoritarian style of it, just zapping an individual who might be drunk or upset seems (to me) to degrade the civility of our societies.

I don't recall law enforcement being entirely stumped on how to arrest people prior to the taser.

I think that is way too general of a statement to make.

photon · 08-09-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

It's not surprising? I find it deplorable.

Something can be completely unsurprising and still be deplorable.

metallicat · 08-09-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by photon

Something can be completely unsurprising and still be deplorable.

Yeah, I suppose that's true, I just find it surprising that people actually think they can assault cops and get away with it. They carry tasers! Don't they read CP??

photon · 08-09-2009, 01:07 PM

Well I doubt that enters into the mental process when someone assaults a cop (or a cop goes over the line, or anyone for that matter), emotion rather than reasoning.

Agamemnon · 08-09-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I think that is way too general of a statement to make.

I don't. The police were doing a fine job of arresting people and prosecuting criminals prior to the issuance of tasers. They're not a mandatory aspect of law enforcement. Also, most of what I'm saying is my opinion, you'll have to forgive generalisations, I don't see many people in this thread providing footnotes and citations.

Finny61 · 08-09-2009, 01:45 PM

Seems strange its a family get together after baptism, and the adults or at least one that we know of was completely hammered? I know a lot of families do not have religious belief but do baptisms anyways but this seems kind of out there.

Dion · 08-09-2009, 02:27 PM

I thought tasers were to used when the life of a police offcier is being threatened. In this case it seems obvious to me the police took the easy way out and used the taser.

Traditional_Ale · 08-09-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Finny61

Seems strange its a family get together after baptism, and the adults or at least one that we know of was completely hammered? I know a lot of families do not have religious belief but do baptisms anyways but this seems kind of out there.

Even if he was completely smashed it doesn't matter, its his own private property. He wasn't harming anyone.

And oilers_fan:

Are you in fact a cop or something? In training/school? Because your blind love and admiration for the police is kind of creepy, actually.

Dion · 08-09-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Even if he was completely smashed it doesn't matter, its his own private property. He wasn't harming anyone.

Guess some States won't allow you to be drunk on your own property. What's next next? Not being allowed to be drunk in your own home? I shake my head at the whole incident.

JustAnotherGuy · 08-09-2009, 02:38 PM

The things I don't understand is that there are 4 cops there. Why do they need to taser a person? Aren't they trained in the proper way to subdue somebody who is not co-operating?

I am not saying anything about this incident. But come on they had the numbers there. Get some common sense man.

Displaced Flames fan · 08-09-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

No matter how you slice it, the police look like ###### bags with this incident. Why did we give these guys tasers?

Oh you've got to be kidding me. Really?

TurnedTheCorner · 08-09-2009, 02:45 PM

I see taser use by the police as a fast-forward button to get to where they need to get to. Unruly person who isn't responding to your discussion? Tase 'em. Someone who is resisting arrest or getting up in your face? Tase 'em. It's better than shooting some one, and more expedient than subduing them through other forceful means. It's a tool at their disposal, and I have no problem with them using them as they see fit.

missdpuck · 08-09-2009, 02:50 PM

I wonder if this is the only Latino family in the neighborhood.

Just sayin. Hard to say anything without seming "racist", so let's just say I don't mean this in a bad way. I live close to a neightborhood full of Central and South American immigrants and when they party..they party! Even at baptisms which they consider a huge celebration.

Displaced Flames fan · 08-09-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Finny61

Seems strange its a family get together after baptism, and the adults or at least one that we know of was completely hammered? I know a lot of families do not have religious belief but do baptisms anyways but this seems kind of out there.

Not strange at all. Especially for Latin Catholics.

jeremywilhelm · 08-09-2009, 02:54 PM

Nm

Phanuthier · 08-09-2009, 04:00 PM

I remember talking to a RCMP cop a few weeks ago about this. In RCMP training, at least for him as a newbie RCMP officer (21 years old) during training, he said he was tasered and had to be sprayed in the face with pepper spray so they know what its like to do it on someone else. These cops aren't willy nilly with their weapons, they use it as a last resort; of coarse this is a US story and not a Canadian story, but I'm pretty sure we arn't getting the whole story here and there was at least some necessity to use force.

metallicat · 08-09-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

I thought tasers were to used when the life of a police offcier is being threatened. In this case it seems obvious to me the police took the easy way out and used the taser.

I don't think that is generally true. If the cops' life is at risk, they use their firearm, not a taser.

And no I'm not a cop for whoever asked.