Family shuns 8 year old daughter after being raped by 4 youths

[Antithesis]

No problem!

[Jordan!]

As odd as it sounds, this may have been the best thing to happen to the girl.. hopefully she's raised by people who are good people and isn't returned to her family.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Then what is the deal with the men forcing the women to dress the way they do because the men cannot control themselves???? WTF???



This quote bugs me.

Blll O'Reilly has said some similar things. If I recall correctly, he is not a Muslim.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200608040004

O'REILLY: So anyway, these two girls come in from the suburbs and they get bombed, and their car is towed because they're moronic girls and, you know, they don't have a car. So they're standing there in the middle of the night with no car. And then they separate because they're drunk. They separate, which you never do. All right.
Now Moore, Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college. She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning. She's walking by herself on the West Side Highway, and she gets picked up by a thug. All right. Now she's out of her mind, drunk.
And the thug takes her over to New Jersey in the cab and kills her and rapes her and does all these terrible things to her. And the thug is so stupid, he uses her cell phone, and the cops trace it back to him and they -- and they arrest him and charge him with murder. He had a prostitute girlfriend with him, and she's charged as an accessory to murder. But Jennifer Moore is in the ground. She's dead.

[Devils'Advocate]

It's unfortunate the father was Islamic and not a believer of the Bible, as then he would be due TWO HUNDRED silver shekles (4 rapists x 50).

[BuzzardsWife]

I'll take her! When I hear stories like this I seriously want to get on a plane and go get the little girl and bring her home. So sad.

[Thor]

Article on womens rights and religion from President Jimmy Carter, good read:

"Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status ..." (Article 2, Universal Declaration of Human Rights)
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28)
I have been a practising Christian all my life and a deacon and Bible teacher for many years. My faith is a source of strength and comfort to me, as religious beliefs are to hundreds of millions of people around the world.
So my decision to sever my ties with the Southern Baptist Convention, after six decades, was painful and difficult. It was, however, an unavoidable decision when th e convention's leaders, quoting a few carefully selected Bible verses and claiming that Eve was created second to Adam and was responsible for original sin, ordained that women must be "subservient" to their husbands and prohibited from serving as deacons, pastors or chaplains in the military service. This was in conflict with my belief - confirmed in the holy scriptures - that we are all equal in the eyes of God.
This view that women are somehow inferior to men is not restricted to one religion or belief. It is widespread. Women are prevented from playing a full and equal role in many faiths.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ights-equality

[DFO]

Such a terrible example of how f'd up some religions are with respect to women. Really hope things turn out ok for the girl.

[GirlySports]

Sometimes the parents are mad they had a girl to begin with.

[HPLovecraft]

This has much more to do with culture than religion.

Even in the morally perfect (apparently) West some women get called names and looked at differently after being raped, and it's a major reason why many women don't report such things as sexual harassment, etc.

As for those who don't understand the purpose of the hijab, my girlfriend is Muslim, and chooses not to wear it. Her cousins in Pakistan don't wear it, but when they visited Dubai, they did, because they wanted to. There are some bad people that force women to wear those things, but it is a woman's choice in right, and the VAST majority CHOOSE to wear them (along with niqabs, etc) because it's part of their culture. Just because some Westerners believe showing hair, etc, is an expression of freedom or individuality, not everyone does.

My sister was in an abusive relationship with her first husband who was ultra-religious (Christian, and white). He and the church they attended condenmed her and others when not wearing full length, floor brushing dresses. It ain't just Muslims, folks. Open your eyes.

This 'some cultures' crap is BS. 'Some religions' crap is BS. Some people are crap, yeah, I agree with.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Dion

It's a sad day when the female gender gets blamed for a rape they did not cause.

I think we can all agree, without a DOUBT....that this 8 year old never did anything that could give her family an excuse to 'shun' her for being raped.

8 freakin' years old.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by fotze

We are all wondering it...pre-marital sex, you gettin' any?

Ha, that information stays in the vault.

I will say, though, that we get in many, many arguments, over many, many things, and have run into many, many difficulties, but it truly does broaden your horizons. The fact that we're still together after almost 3 years goes to show the power of love and that deep down the majority of sane people, cultural and religious differences there may be, believe in the same basic human rights the world over (yeah, I know I just responded like that to a fotze question).

The number one thing I've discovered is that regional cultures have much, much more to do with circumstances like this than the broad brush of religion.

[Methanolic]

The parents should ROT in a Siberian Goulag.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by FLAMESRULE

Trad, you're 100% right, lets call it what it is and thats the utter brutality of religion. Same thing for that honour killing of the young sisters in Kingston. Religion is the
scourge of mankind.

As a parent how you could completely abandon YOUR child becuase of some make believe story in a book is unbelievable. No matter how hard I try I cant comprehend this. It sounds awful but I have much more compassion to the kids who raped the girl than the parents. They are kids as well. The parents should be tarred and feathered.

I don't think it has much to do with religion as much as it does the Liberian society. Having been raped, the girl would likely be seen as damaged goods to any potential husband, and as such, she could become an economic burden on the family. It doesn't justify what the family is doing at all, and maybe even makes it morally worse if it is a money decision and not one based on faith. I just think it's too easy to use religion as a scapegoat when it's people making decisions which are like based on secular ideas. A great deal of religious conflicts are class conflicts.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Blll O'Reilly has said some similar things. If I recall correctly, he is not a Muslim.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200608040004

O'REILLY: So anyway, these two girls come in from the suburbs and they get bombed, and their car is towed because they're moronic girls and, you know, they don't have a car. So they're standing there in the middle of the night with no car. And then they separate because they're drunk. They separate, which you never do. All right.
Now Moore, Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college. She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning. She's walking by herself on the West Side Highway, and she gets picked up by a thug. All right. Now she's out of her mind, drunk.
And the thug takes her over to New Jersey in the cab and kills her and rapes her and does all these terrible things to her. And the thug is so stupid, he uses her cell phone, and the cops trace it back to him and they -- and they arrest him and charge him with murder. He had a prostitute girlfriend with him, and she's charged as an accessory to murder. But Jennifer Moore is in the ground. She's dead.

I'm always baffled that raped women are beyond criticism, it's nonsensical, it only hurts our society by promoting inaccurate ideals. It'd be wonderful if a women could wear what she wants, when she wants and not be bothered. But men rape women, always have. Now we're telling girls that their dress and manner have no effect on their odds of having this terrible, life-changing act happen to them? Just to be PC?

The appropriate lesson of this tragedy is that women have to mindful of the threat of rape and must be able to notice and act if they have put themselves at risk.

[Reaper]

I am deeply saddened by this story. If the family has any other children they should be apprehended by protective services. I don't care what religion or culture you belong to but if your eight year old daughter is viciously raped by four boys and your response is 'we don't want her anymore" then the entire neighborhood where you live should get a free shot at you with whatever they can pick up. What a despicable family.

[missdpuck]

Many men in Western cultures think a woman is dirty, damaged and undesirable just because she has been raped. Don't have a link at the moment but I believe there is a high divorce rate in cases where the woman is a rape victim, even if she doesn;t have issues with sex afterwards.

[EDBTZ12]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Then what is the deal with the men forcing the women to dress the way they do because the men cannot control themselves???? WTF???



This quote bugs me.

Forcing is a pretty harsh word. I have many muslim (girl) friends who wear hijabs and none of them even suggest that they are forced. They do it because they believe in their religion.

Do you know anything about the catholic religion? They wear similiar clothing to muslims and some even cover their hair. Catholics were known to be the most strict and inequality was very present in the religion. Catholicism has changed a fair bit over the years but they used to operate with a iron fist and still do in some sects.

Im not trying to start a pissing war just giving my 2 cents.

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by Matata

I'm always baffled that raped women are beyond criticism, it's nonsensical, it only hurts our society by promoting inaccurate ideals. It'd be wonderful if a women could wear what she wants, when she wants and not be bothered. But men rape women, always have. Now we're telling girls that their dress and manner have no effect on their odds of having this terrible, life-changing act happen to them? Just to be PC?

The appropriate lesson of this tragedy is that women have to mindful of the threat of rape and must be able to notice and act if they have put themselves at risk.

Care to elaborate? I'm not being sarcastic. We're taught that rape is an act of hatred and violence that has nothing to do with sex. Then I hear comments like this. I'm not saying women should walk around half naked or whatever, but isn't that a sexual turn on rather than a "hate" thing? Where is the line between hate and desire?

[EDBTZ12]

Just read your posts HP Love Craft and i agree with every word in your post couldnt have said it any better myself.

[EDBTZ12]

Originally Posted by Matata

I'm always baffled that raped women are beyond criticism, it's nonsensical, it only hurts our society by promoting inaccurate ideals. It'd be wonderful if a women could wear what she wants, when she wants and not be bothered. But men rape women, always have. Now we're telling girls that their dress and manner have no effect on their odds of having this terrible, life-changing act happen to them? Just to be PC?

The appropriate lesson of this tragedy is that women have to mindful of the threat of rape and must be able to notice and act if they have put themselves at risk.

Woman have to be mindful of men raping them? You have got to be kidding.

I know the possibility is greater for a woman to be be raped but come on how can you say that a woman should dress or act differently in order to not get raped.