07-14-2009, 04:44 PM
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Yeah , I think the indignation is a little overblown here. My little guy, who's not quite two got out of bed, opened his door and then wandered downstairs to unlock the deadbolt and go out the front door a couple of weeks ago while we were all sleeping. We didn't even know that he knew how to work the deadbolt at the time, but according to the OP I'm probably mentaly (sic) challenged and should be sterilised. 
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07-14-2009, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy
Bobblehead, do you have children?
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No, but I have read the statistics about it, and they don't show that these incidents have grown. At all. If anything, they have decreased but that can't be confirmed due to differences in methodologies. http://www.policyarchive.org%2Fbitst...U4oSxYYyOyWdpA
I'm not sure how me having kids will change the statistics. I'm sure incidents would hit closer to home, but that won't make them any more likely.
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07-14-2009, 04:56 PM
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some here think: "no big deal" or "It Happens" ..
Well....Thank God the outcome was a positive one. I doubt that the people who are thinking "ahh, It happens" would even want to acknowlege this story or the NEGLECT, had the child died. It would just be one of those items in the news that you skip over to save yourself the heartache.
...But!...because everything turned out fine, "It happens"
"snuck" out of the tent my A$$!
The kid was 3 years old for cripes sake!
PS: The moment my first was born and brought home, (14 years ago) I've been "figuratively" sleeping with one eye open.
"No Excuse!"
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07-14-2009, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
No, but I have read the statistics about it, and they don't show that these incidents have grown. At all. If anything, they have decreased but that can't be confirmed due to differences in methodologies. http://www.policyarchive.org%2Fbitst...U4oSxYYyOyWdpA
I'm not sure how me having kids will change the statistics. I'm sure incidents would hit closer to home, but that won't make them any more likely. |
I should not have even asked. It is probably best to not even bother getting into any discussion on this topic. Thanks.
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07-14-2009, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Methanolic
some here think: "no big deal" or "It Happens" ..
Well....Thank God the outcome was a positive one. I doubt that the people who are thinking "ahh, It happens" would even want to acknowlege this story or the NEGLECT, had the child died. It would just be one of those items in the news that you skip over to save yourself the heartache.
...But!...because everything turned out fine, "It happens"
"snuck" out of the tent my A$$!
The kid was 3 years old for cripes sake!
PS: The moment my first was born and brought home, (14 years ago) I've been "figuratively" sleeping with one eye open.
"No Excuse!"
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Do you keep your children caged? Because otherwise I really don't see how you can possibly prevent every single opportunity of harm.
None of us know the actual facts of this incident, it amy have been negligent parenting or it amy have been an adventurous child who slipped out of the tent and went for a ride. The fact that each is equally plausible based on what we know makes your comments way over the top.
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07-14-2009, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Methanolic
PS: The moment my first was born and brought home, (14 years ago) I've been "figuratively" sleeping with one eye open.
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When your kid was a tyke did he/she never wander off in the mall or out of the yard or something? Not once?
I don't have kids but I was one once myself. When I was three or four a buddy and I decided to stroll over to grandma's place without telling anyone. It was maybe a five minute walk, even for us runts. A couple minutes after we left we were "lost" and confronted by a Great Dane that was taller than us. Well that dog set us to screaming pretty good and my mom came a-running.
It was maybe a two-minute window that she wasn't staring at us that we slipped off. Was that neglect? Should she have been sterilized?
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07-14-2009, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy
I should not have even asked. It is probably best to not even bother getting into any discussion on this topic. Thanks.
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I'm not wanting to say the risk doesn't exist, or that no one should every worry.
Just that things were just as dangerous 10 and 20 years ago as they are today, and perception had changed. And I think a large part of that change is due to media, and how today there are hundreds of news sources vying for the public's attention while 20 years ago there may have been a handful. So as they all fight for ratings, average people are barraged with stories about child abduction, murder, crimes of all sorts, and it feels like the world is scarier than ever. But when you step back and actually take a look you see that crime rates haven't gone up and in fact over the past 30 years they have been generally falling.
So I don't want to discount anyone's worries, and I don't have any kids but my 5 month old nephew is pretty special. I just want to quell the, "The world has gone to hell" sentiment. People have been saying that for centuries.
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07-14-2009, 07:16 PM
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That deathmobile didn't even have seatbelts or a driverside airbag!
How could the parents even buy it for him in the first place. Get the rope!!
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07-14-2009, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by valo403
Do you keep your children caged? Because otherwise I really don't see how you can possibly prevent every single opportunity of harm.
None of us know the actual facts of this incident, it amy have been negligent parenting or it amy have been an adventurous child who slipped out of the tent and went for a ride. The fact that each is equally plausible based on what we know makes your comments way over the top.
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No! There's no cage.
I have enough brains to keep my children from harm, and I'd be willing to bet that I give my kids more freedom than most.
And good for you for defending these parents!... My guess is they had a bit too much of "Grandpa's cough medicine"!!!
P.'s O. S, !!!!
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07-14-2009, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Methanolic
No! There's no cage.
I have enough brains to keep my children from harm, and I'd be willing to bet that I give my kids more freedom than most.
And good for you for defending these parents!... My guess is they had a bit too much of "Grandpa's cough medicine"!!!
P.'s O. S, !!!!
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Well guesses are always a sound basis to go on. 
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07-14-2009, 07:24 PM
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Come on, why do we have to shamelessly vilify every parent who makes even a slight mistake?
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07-14-2009, 07:26 PM
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Valo403 post # 25 ....^^^^ Not really fair of me to accuse you of "defending" the parents, because you're not really.
...Mmmm .... "stuff!!" like this just gets my ire!!
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07-14-2009, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke
Come on, why do we have to shamelessly vilify every parent who makes even a slight mistake?
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Because it's the internet. Judging people without having any reason or basis to do so is what we do.
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07-14-2009, 07:36 PM
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I think I would absolutely abhor being Methanolic's kid.
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When I was this kids age I didn't get a motorized truck. I got a pedal truck. But that didn't stop me from pulling it out onto the road and taking it for a spin with the real cars. As the story has been told to me, a neighbor got me off the road before any cars came over the ridge. When the kid survives, it becomes a cute story the parents share with GFs to embarrass their sons later in life......
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07-14-2009, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
I'm not wanting to say the risk doesn't exist, or that no one should every worry.
Just that things were just as dangerous 10 and 20 years ago as they are today, and perception had changed. And I think a large part of that change is due to media, and how today there are hundreds of news sources vying for the public's attention while 20 years ago there may have been a handful. So as they all fight for ratings, average people are barraged with stories about child abduction, murder, crimes of all sorts, and it feels like the world is scarier than ever. But when you step back and actually take a look you see that crime rates haven't gone up and in fact over the past 30 years they have been generally falling.
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Not to mention that for a large portion of time from the advent of TV, there was a 'big bad enemy' for the news to focus on ... until recently-ish:
post-World War II - Commies
more recently (less so currently) - Muslims
Now, there's no central enemy for the news to focus Joe Everybody on ... there has to be something to get people in (as a conservative, 'even minded' person - not conspiracy theorist) or to use to incite fear in the general public as a way to control them (conspiracy theorist) ...
In addition to your point about the number of news sources, we also have to look at the sheer volume of news available to us ... even if you just look at local newscasts, I remember a time when the only news in the dinner hours on CTV was from 6-7 ... now there is 2 hours of news at that time of day, not to mention additional local TV networks, multiple 24-hour news stations (that's a LOT of news), and of course the internet and such.
For the evening news ... there has to be some kind of hook to get people to watch, and if it can't be "OMG TEH COMMIEZ", then it has to be "OMG LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT KID".
My quality of life has increased a significant amount since I stopped paying attention to local newscasts and newspapers ...
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07-14-2009, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy
Bobblehead, do you have children?
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The idea that you can never understand how someone else thinks or feels unless you have experienced their particular circumstances is interesting only as an example of a massively popular delusion. It has managed to do equal harm to social progress as the popular delusion it replaced - that old white men knew everything and understood everybody no matter what their particular circumstances.
It would be interesting to live in a world where arguments and people are judged on their good sense alone, and not their socioeconomic background or ethnic credentials. Unfortunately the trend seems to be in the opposite direction.
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07-14-2009, 08:00 PM
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^^ Stop making sense.
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07-14-2009, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jammies
The idea that you can never understand how someone else thinks or feels unless you have experienced their particular circumstances is interesting only as an example of a massively popular delusion. It has managed to do equal harm to social progress as the popular delusion it replaced - that old white men knew everything and understood everybody no matter what their particular circumstances.
It would be interesting to live in a world where arguments and people are judged on their good sense alone, and not their socioeconomic background or ethnic credentials. Unfortunately the trend seems to be in the opposite direction.
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I have to ask. Jammies, do you have children?
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07-14-2009, 08:48 PM
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They promised me those records would be expunged!
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07-14-2009, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
I think I would absolutely abhor being Methanolic's kid.
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When I was this kids age I didn't get a motorized truck. I got a pedal truck. But that didn't stop me from pulling it out onto the road and taking it for a spin with the real cars. As the story has been told to me, a neighbor got me off the road before any cars came over the ridge. When the kid survives, it becomes a cute story the parents share with GFs to embarrass their sons later in life......
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Easy to post "Carp" like this ^^^^^ when the the little 3 year old in diapers and a T-shirt is found alive and kicking!!
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