Steve Mcnair shot dead

[valo403]

Originally Posted by liamenator

Well, I should say I was making the comment exclusively in regards to your response to my original post - it has nothing to do with the conversation you are having with Flames in 07, when you pointed out that it's "not really a good idea to jump to these kind of conclusions."

I just tire of the knee-jerk reaction a lot of posters throw out there, to label something slanderous, libelous, dangerous or 'not a good idea' when somebody says something even remotely hypothetical. Especially in this case, when I was explicit about the fact that I was not speculating idly, but that I was basing the love-triangle thing as logical based on the bizarre nature of the events.

Fair enough, I was reading it as implicating an outside party, and seeing as that's not what you meant you really didn't jump to much of a conclusion at all. Just a mix-up over what the words indicated, my fault.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by valo403

Ya rich guys in their 30's never date 20 year olds, and when they do there's a good chance they wind up dead.

Do you have any idea how extraordinarily ridiculous that statement is?

Where's the dumb decision in dating someone younger than you? Sure it's probably not a great decision if you're looking for long term stability, but to imply that it increases your chances of being murdered is absurd. There are hundreds of thousands of relationships with age gaps of 15+ years, and shockingly many of them have to do with rich guys and younger women. You're trying to tell me that people in those relationships are more predisposed to being murdered? That's quite the claim.

As for your moral high ground, I'm not sure if you have some sort of 'sanctity of marriage' stance or what, but I don't really see how an affair turns you into someone whose death is any less sad. That's assuming this was even an affair within an intact marriage, there's every possibility that the marriage relationship was all but over. It doesn't exactly seem like there was much in the way of sneaking around going on here.

sancitity of marriage is snobbish moral high ground. OK conversation with you done, I get it, and I get where your coming from.

And yea, I'm not saying you always get murdered you said that, just that you are asking for problems if you are rich in your mid thirties and date a broke 20 year old. That may not sound nice, but it's true. There is a good chance, not 100% but a good chance the 20 yr old sees a slot machine that always pays out (this one did with free cars apparently) and when things go wrong the 20 year can see their future slipping from them ... that's a problem. If you have a family and start dating some 20 year old from D&B's ... with what he has to lose, your thinking with the wrong head.

I don't see the death as any less sad, that's again, just something you have manufactured. I'd say maybe a little less respect for him, but just as sad. Still one widow and 4 kids who lost a parent.

Anyway you don't see a problem with the decision, good for you. But I can see your biased because he's an athlete, 40 reports that this is a girlfriend and you still think people are leaping to conclusions and that she might still be a family friend.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

sancitity of marriage is snobbish moral high ground. OK conversation with you done, I get it, and I get where your coming from.

And yea, I'm not saying you always get murdered you said that, just that you are asking for problems if you are rich in your mid thirties and date a broke 20 year old. That may not sound nice, but it's true. There is a good chance, not 100% but a good chance the 20 yr old sees a slot machine that always pays out (this one did with free cars apparently) and when things go wrong the 20 year can see their future slipping from them ... that's a problem. If you have a family and start dating some 20 year old from D&B's ... with what he has to lose, your thinking with the wrong head.

I don't see the death as any less sad, that's again, just something you have manufactured. I'd say maybe a little less respect for him, but just as sad. Still one widow and 4 kids who lost a parent.

Anyway you don't see a problem with the decision, good for you. But I can see your biased because he's an athlete, 40 reports that this is a girlfriend and you still think people are leaping to conclusions and that she might still be a family friend.

I'm biased because he's an athlete? No, this issue has nothing to do with his previous career. My issue is completely focused on your absurd idea that a rich guy in his mid 30's is at risk for dating someone 15 years younger than him. I'm not sure what world you live in, but relationships between people in their mid 30's and women in their early 20's are incredibly common in the real world, and the vast majority of them end just like any other relationship.

And if you'd like to read my posts I'd think you'd find that the 'family friend' statement was made long before any reports of a relationship had emerged, and that as soon as those reports came out I let go of that possibility. You'd also notice that I have frequently addressed the relationship they were having. Apparently your reading comprehension rivals your low reality comprehension.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by valo403

I'm biased because he's an athlete? No, this issue has nothing to do with his previous career. My issue is completely focused on your absurd idea that a rich guy in his mid 30's is at risk for dating someone 15 years younger than him. I'm not sure what world you live in, but relationships between people in their mid 30's and women in their early 20's are incredibly common in the real world, and the vast majority of them end just like any other relationship.

And if you'd like to read my posts I'd think you'd find that the 'family friend' statement was made long before any reports of a relationship had emerged, and that as soon as those reports came out I let go of that possibility. You'd also notice that I have frequently addressed the relationship they were having. Apparently your reading comprehension rivals your low reality comprehension.

multi million dollar 36 year old and broke 20 year old isn't incredibly common, small point of detail you are missing, anyway I'm all about that sanctity of marriage stuff, and you think that's elitist moral high ground, so we clearly don't understand each other.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

multi million dollar 36 year old and broke 20 year old isn't incredibly common, small point of detail you are missing, anyway I'm all about that sanctity of marriage stuff, and you think that's elitist moral high ground, so we clearly don't understand each other.

I think it's pretty naive to think a man who is apparently having an open relationship with another woman is still involved in a functioning marriage.

And yes, rich mid 30's and broke early 20's is incredibly common. The only uncommon part about this is that she isn't jaw droppingly gorgeous IMO. Have you never heard of a mid-life crisis?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Maybe I'm missing something that you are trying to point out, but even the police are hinting that they think this is a murder/suicide.

That would mean that the 3rd person in the triangle IS the perpetrator.

No...it really doesn't.

What it means is that the girl is the murderer and the suicide victim...if there was anyone else there would be no suicide involved.

Me thinks you are a tad confused.

[Pagal4321]

Not really what I expected to read in this thread. But I've got to say, when I heard about this, I got a severe case of the goosebumps. Sad sad story, regardless of what the investigators find.

[burn_baby_burn]

McNairs widow may not have known about her husbands infidelity.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...mcnair06m.html

[Machiavelli]

^ Pretty girl (his wife).

Why can't people be satisfied with the ones they have? Oh, love is a cruel and dangerous entity...

[burn_baby_burn]

Pretty tough for the wife. It would be bad enough to find out your husband is dead. Must be completely devastating and confusing to find out he was cheating on you as well.

[transplant99]

Why can't people be satisfied with the ones they have?

Lots of people are...but that doesnt make headlines like this stuff.

In particular...sports and entertainment figures seem to have a whole lot of this going on, though it certainly is not limited to them.

Looks like McNair made some seriously poor decisions and here we sit today. The whole thing is really quite sad.

[burn_baby_burn]

Sister of alleged murderer thinks a third person is involved in shooting.

http://livesteez.com/news/read/Victi...rder/2075.html

She was one, young girl who had so many dreams that they never came true," Salmani said. "She would never kill anyone, ever. Or anything. Not even a little bug. I want people to know that."

"That's why she was like, 'OK, now you're divorcing. We can date,'" Salmani said. "He told her, it was going to be finished, the whole divorce was going to be done, two weeks from yesterday."
Salmani said her sister believed that she and McNair would move in together once the divorce was final, and eventually marry.
Davidson County's court record show no pending divorce for McNair and his wife Mechelle.

I hate to speculate since nobody probably knows the full story yet. Sounds like this girl figured McNair was going to leave his wife for her. McNair probably informed her that he would not leave his wife which somehow escaleted into the shooting. Sad story for McNair's widow and four young children.

[Clever_Iggy]

^^^^ For me, that was the very first thing that went through my mind when I read the details of the shooting.

[burn_baby_burn]

I just heard on Sirius NFL Radio that the Nashville Police have released a statement saying the gun at the scene was registered to Shaleh Kazemi (the suspected killer) and that she had purchased it a few weeks ago.

[Pagal4321]

Eddie George thinks there's more to this story than a murder-suicide.

Appearing earlier today on Sirius NFL Radio with Peter King and Bob Papa, George said he hopes that police are very thorough. The 1995 Heisman winner also suggested that, in his mind, it's not an open-and-shut case.

"It seems like it was too professionally done," George said.

Interesting.....but a little far fetched, IMO.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

I just heard on Sirius NFL Radio that the Nashville Police have released a statement saying the gun at the scene was registered to Shaleh Kazemi (the suspected killer) and that she had purchased it a few weeks ago.

I saw that, and wonder how it is registered to her when she's not 21?

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Eddie George thinks there's more to this story than a murder-suicide.



Interesting.....but a little far fetched, IMO.

There is always the possibility. Usually when somebody tries to cover their tracks in a crime such as this they leave even more clues for investigators. If there is more to this story, I'm sure that it will be revealed in the weeks to come.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Pretty tough for the wife. It would be bad enough to find out your husband is dead. Must be completely devastating and confusing to find out he was cheating on you as well.

The first thing I thot when I read the details of what's going on is how does that go when widow has to explain this to the kids. And you can't leave out any details because the kids will see, hear and read about this for a long time.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by transplant99

No...it really doesn't.

What it means is that the girl is the murderer and the suicide victim...if there was anyone else there would be no suicide involved.

Me thinks you are a tad confused.

read the thread, the context was that he was not convinced what the deal was with the 20 year old, she could be a family buddy and not in a relationship with mcnair that would create a triangle. Thanks for the value add though, very important distinction your making.

As for how the story is developing, I can't believe how this is unfolding. She buys a gun 2 days before he's shot with it? He's the ideal football player, by all accounts well respected in the community, does all kind of charity work and he puts himself in this spot? Quite bizarre how some people think I guess.

Very said time for his family.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

McNairs widow may not have known about her husbands infidelity.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...mcnair06m.html

I find that hard to believe she didn't know.

He's Steve McNair! In Nashville! There are pictures of Steve and Shaleh all over the internet. Plus he took her around al over the place to concerts, restaurants etc...