Neo-Nazis on the Train

Originally Posted by DESS

Getting their faces on TV will embolden them to be even bigger ######s and give credibility to their cause where it isn't due.

Why is it when I saw this I giggled, my first thought was:
"A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man"

Sorry... haven't had my breakfast yet and am feeling a little silly

Feel pride for what you do, not what colour your skin is. COrrect me if I'm wrong, but I don't hear alot about any humanitarian deeds that any of these "aryan-skin-head" groups participate in.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by fotze

I don't understand taking pride in things you had nothing to do with or didn't even exist when it happened. Taking pride in a sports team is about the extent that pride should reach and that is even hard to wrap your head around at times.

White pride is silly. It's completely pointless as race is basically meaningless. I have no problem in taking pride or having respect for your particular culture and believing that there is something "special" about coming from an Anglophone background. Of course, English is becoming a multicultural language and our culture is/has been made up of people from many different races and backgrounds.

[mikey_the_redneck]

As long as they are not being violent, I don't have a problem with them. The truth is, there is a certain level resentment from minorities toward white people. I see it every time I interact with a native person.....and in the U.S. you see alot of resentment to white people from African Americans in the media and so on........but I guess I dont understand why they use the swastika as it makes people automatically link them to Hitler and his evils.

[Howie_16]

Originally Posted by DESS

...if you're going to be proud of the accomplishments of your white ancestors, you should also feel shame for their failures.

A great response to any drivel that a white supremist puts forth.

[kirant]

These Calgary-based "neo" nazis may be intelligent and methodical, but they're also punks playing with s*** they don't understand.
Some of them are, some of them aren't. I knew one in my old high school. Looking back, and being of asian decent...it's kinda creepy now. However, I'll be honest, the punks you're thinking about are generally the younger ones. Case and point (Now we can pity him for being an Oilers fan, a Sens fan...and what appears to be a neo-nazi): http://www.youtube.com/user/Wehrmacht63

Granted, he has toned down his (alternate account) page a lot. It used to be WaffenSS62 and have a picture of the SS in the background. Still doesn't detract from the great deal of c*** he puts forward. There doesn't seem to be any proof of him actually knowing what he's talking about, just doing it.

I'm near positive that at 18, you cannot throughly understand most beliefs yet.

OR...fight fire with fire. Have an opposing group ramp-up their efforts in getting a lot more multi-cultural specific events together. It'd be great for the city, I think.
They tried it. It ended up with screaming and yelling at both sides. No arrests were made IIRC, but it did make local news. I think that qualifies as a win for the Aryan Guard, who wants all that publicity.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

but I guess I dont understand why they use the swastika as it makes people automatically link them to Hitler and his evils.

I'm going to guess they're using it as a self fulfilling prophecy type thing.
You use those types of symbols and automatically people are going to give you a hard time. In their own minds this just proves how those 'evil non-whites' are out to get them and the hate builds up in some cycle of stupidity until you get groups like the Aryan Guard or Stormfront.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by kirant

These Calgary-based "neo" nazis may be intelligent and methodical, but they're also punks playing with s*** they don't understand.
Some of them are, some of them aren't. I knew one in my old high school. Looking back, and being of asian decent...it's kinda creepy now. However, I'll be honest, the punks you're thinking about are generally the younger ones. Case and point (Now we can pity him for being an Oilers fan, a Sens fan...and what appears to be a neo-nazi): http://www.youtube.com/user/Wehrmacht63

Granted, he has toned down his (alternate account) page a lot. It used to be WaffenSS62 and have a picture of the SS in the background. Still doesn't detract from the great deal of c*** he puts forward. There doesn't seem to be any proof of him actually knowing what he's talking about, just doing it.

I'm near positive that at 18, you cannot throughly understand most beliefs yet.

OR...fight fire with fire. Have an opposing group ramp-up their efforts in getting a lot more multi-cultural specific events together. It'd be great for the city, I think.
They tried it. It ended up with screaming and yelling at both sides. No arrests were made IIRC, but it did make local news. I think that qualifies as a win for the Aryan Guard, who wants all that publicity.

the last white power march was not that long ago, and you could almost call it a win for them as it was the protesters that ended up looking like violent fools.

The best way to deal with these white power fools is to not even give them credibility and make sure that your kids are proofed against their recruiting tactics.

[Galakanokis]

I'm not too amused with humans...

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

As long as they are not being violent, I don't have a problem with them. The truth is, there is a certain level resentment from minorities toward white people. I see it every time I interact with a native person.....and in the U.S. you see alot of resentment to white people from African Americans in the media and so on........but I guess I dont understand why they use the swastika as it makes people automatically link them to Hitler and his evils.

That's a bit of a broad statement. I can see your point for Natives and many blacks in America, but beyond that I don't think there's too much resentment at all. Especially from Asian minorities who make up the bulk in Canada.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

That's a bit of a broad statement. I can see your point for Natives and many blacks in America, but beyond that I don't think there's too much resentment at all. Especially from Asian minorities who make up the bulk in Canada.

Yeah I meant that most of that hatred comes from the U.S.

[troutman]

[Tower]

How do you think Gob feels?

[DESS]

Originally Posted by Tower

How do you think Gob feels?

Like he's made a huge mistake?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by troutman

Yes, but Captain America's relationship with Bucky is ostensibly wholly inappropriate.

Look at that kid's dead eyes...

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

The truth is, there is a certain level resentment from minorities toward white people. I see it every time I interact with a native person

Maybe this has something to do with you personally instead of being a race issue? I don't sense resentment or anything else every time I interact with a native person.

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

but I guess I dont understand why they use the swastika as it makes people automatically link them to Hitler and his evils.

They use it because they like Hitler and agree with what the Nazis did.

ANYWAY, I think I'm going to start a movement of my own. The Two Nipple Pride Movement. I was born with two nipples, and so were my ancestors before me. People with two nipples have done some marvelous things and I have every right to be proud of them and no politically correct pansified society can tell me I can't take pride in my heritage.

August will be Two Nipple Pride Month. For the inaugural TNPM we will be celebrating the works of William Shakespeare, the scientific accomplishments of Albert Einstein and the sporting exploits of American heavyweight boxer Muhammad Ali.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by DESS

I was going to say this as well. Plus, if you're going to be proud of the accomplishments of your white ancestors, you should also feel shame for their failures. I'd rather not take personal responsibility at all for the actions of individuals in history.

Plus while you're feeling proud to be white, keep in mind who committed the atrocities towards Jews, gays, etc. in WWII. It wasn't a bunch of black guys.

Every nationality, every ethnic group and every single race has been involved with horrible crimes against humanity and often still are to this day.

Africa, while being a completely messed up continent in general has an active genocide currently taking place and it has been 15 years I believe since Rwanda and the travesty that took place there.

Asia, cultural revolution. But if you want to focus on WWII look at the Japanese actions in China and the Rape of Namking.

White guys don't corner the market on brutal atrocities. So does that make black pride a horrible concept. Or does that mean that pride in being Asian is foolish?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Maybe this has something to do with you personally instead of being a race issue? I don't sense resentment or anything else every time I interact with a native person.

Well it's intersting because I grew up in a small town and had Metis neighbors who were really nice and everything, used to play hockey with them, go fishing etc. But since moving to Lethbridge, (which is right next to the Blood reserve) I find the ones from Brocket etc. to have a huge chip on their shoulders.

[DESS]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Every nationality, every ethnic group and every single race has been involved with horrible crimes against humanity and often still are to this day.

Africa, while being a completely messed up continent in general has an active genocide currently taking place and it has been 15 years I believe since Rwanda and the travesty that took place there.

Asia, cultural revolution. But if you want to focus on WWII look at the Japanese actions in China and the Rape of Namking.

White guys don't corner the market on brutal atrocities. So does that make black pride a horrible concept. Or does that mean that pride in being Asian is foolish?

This thread is about neo-Nazis. My post was in response to a guy saying he was proud to be white. I connected the dots to say white guys were Nazis and if you're going to be proud of the good white people have done, you must also be ashamed of the villainous things white people have done as well.

Your post was dripping with insulting innuendo based on your misreading of my post. On the Internet, we call that pwnd.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by DESS

This thread is about neo-Nazis. My post was in response to a guy saying he was proud to be white. I connected the dots to say white guys were Nazis and if you're going to be proud of the good white people have done, you must also be ashamed of the villainous things white people have done as well.

Your post was dripping with insulting innuendo based on your misreading of my post. On the Internet, we call that pwnd.

I look forward to you telling me about how black pride is a horrible concept based on the Sudan, Rwanda and hell pretty much any other country on that continent. If they have pride in being black, should they not also feel shame in the millions that have died as a result of the ongoing tribal wars? I do have pride in where I came from and who I am as a result, but that doesn't have anything to do with Nazis killing jews. I can feel pride in myself and my heritage without feeling shame at the same time.

Are you proud to be Canadian? How can you feel pride if Clifford Olson was Canadian as well.... Same logic applies.

[DESS]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I look forward to you telling me about how black pride is a horrible concept based on the Sudan, Rwanda and hell pretty much any other country on that continent. If they have pride in being black, should they not also feel shame in the millions that have died as a result of the ongoing tribal wars? I do have pride in where I came from and who I am as a result, but that doesn't have anything to do with Nazis killing jews. I can feel pride in myself and my heritage without feeling shame at the same time.

Are you proud to be Canadian? How can you feel pride if Clifford Olson was Canadian as well.... Same logic applies.

I honestly and truly don't think you understand my post. Thankfully others did so this seems to be an issue unique to you. Drop me a PM if you'd like some further clarification as I'd hate to see this thread get derailed with your botched attempts to discredit me.