Arm guards and we'll shut border: Mohawk Warriors

[Cowboy89]

Why is nobody talking about the American border guards being allowed to have guns on their border crossing, which is also on Mohawk land?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akwesasne

Bottom line is this is a political stunt because competent border guards with guns will make it more difficult for the band to keep up with their lucreative illegal activity. I don't know why no one in the media is mentioning the smuggling (Tobacco, drugs, weapons, etc) that takes place regularily through these border crossings.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...821/story.html

This article explicitly mentions this reserve and has testimony from a smuggler who manned a boat on the river with a machine gun. This whole protest is a slap in the face to everyone's intelligence and has nothing to do with this 'well-meaning, peaceful' community not wanting guns on their territory.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Why is nobody talking about the American border guards being allowed to have guns on their border crossing, which is also on Mohawk land?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akwesasne

Bottom line is this is a political stunt because competent border guards with guns will make it more difficult for the band to keep up with their lucreative illegal activity. I don't know why no one in the media is mentioning the smuggling (Tobacco, drugs, weapons, etc) that takes place regularily through these border crossings.

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[loob job]

That border crossing is the busiest for the natives to run their illegal smokes through. The biggest reserve is five minutes from me and that border is a joke. The natives can do whatever they want in ontario with little or no resistance, it pisses everyone off but no one does a thing about it.

[corporatejay]

Where are we building the ring road?

[Bagor]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/st...r-guns001.html

The border guards in Cornwall were set to start carrying 9-mm handguns Monday morning. Instead, they left their posts at midnight Sunday, citing safety concerns.

Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan's office said the issue is out of its hands.

So who is responsible for sorting this out?

[LChoy]

*sigh*
We're serious in asserting our Artic Soverienty, but our guards leave due to fear of violence at a border crossing.
Canada's commitement to our borders can be very confusing sometimes

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by Lchoy

*sigh*
We're serious in asserting our Artic Soverienty, but our guards leave due to fear of violence at a border crossing.
Canada's commitement to our borders can be very confusing sometimes

I don't really blame those CBSA officers. It's one thing to defend the borders from intruders, it's something else to be attacked from within. They didn't sign up for that crap, it's not their job to deal with angry rabble rousers and they aren't getting much backing or support from the government. I'd probably pack it in too.

[LChoy]

Originally Posted by fredr123

I don't really blame those CBSA officers. It's one thing to defend the borders from intruders, it's something else to be attacked from within. They didn't sign up for that crap, it's not their job to deal with angry rabble rousers and they aren't getting much backing or support from the government. I'd probably pack it in too.

Oh, I don't blame the CBSA officers
Just wished the government would step in and enforce the borders. From an IR perspective, this could really irk the Americans as well, where some has long considered that Canada is lax when it comes to defending their borders. Consider the timing as well, with the new border procedures between Canada and the US that has already got people talking. This thing might be bad politically very quickly

[MJM]

The army or RCMP should be deployed to that border and told to shoot first at any approaching Mohawk and to ask questions later.

I actually was in Cornwall the last time these morons pulled this garbage (The Oka affair). I was pined up in a Hotel with the Army (The Holiday Inn I believe).

Time to show them whose boss. You can't threaten violence anytime something displeases you. If the Canadian Government showes some balls and took a few of these trouble makers out when they start their garbage, maybe the Mohawks would be a little more leary about pulling this crap.

[CaptainCrunch]

One of the big problems, is that a boarder guards 9 mm is found lacking when you have these "Warriors" running around with AK-47's, high powered hunting rifles with scopes, and the occassional light anti tank weapons.

If the Canadian Government even tried to shut down these smuggling groups it would be a blood bath.

And you can't send the army in because the natives do an excellent job in terms of public relations.

But I think we're going to be headed for another Oka.

[MJM]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

One of the big problems, is that a boarder guards 9 mm is found lacking when you have these "Warriors" running around with AK-47's, high powered hunting rifles with scopes, and the occassional light anti tank weapons.

If the Canadian Government even tried to shut down these smuggling groups it would be a blood bath.

And you can't send the army in because the natives do an excellent job in terms of public relations.

But I think we're going to be headed for another Oka.

And this time we should do what we should have done last time. Wipe anyone the hell out if they step foot near a Canadian Soldier or borded guard with a weapon. Only in Canada can BS like this happen because of the fear of the natives' (or whatever group of people using such tactics) use of public relations.

Aside from being a slap in the face to all law-abiding Canadians, events such as Oka cost Canadians ridiculous amounts of tax dollars.

If you went up to an RCMP officer with a loaded weapon threatning violence, they would clearly take you out with the use of force. It should be no different for the Mohawks.

This isn't a race thing to me at all (I actually have quite a few native friends since I grew up next to a reservation). I'd say the same for any group threatening such an act. There's has to be laws in society, and everyone has to be held accountable or you end up with chaos (see OKA).

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

One of the big problems, is that a boarder guards 9 mm is found lacking when you have these "Warriors" running around with AK-47's, high powered hunting rifles with scopes, and the occassional light anti tank weapons.

If the Canadian Government even tried to shut down these smuggling groups it would be a blood bath.

And you can't send the army in because the natives do an excellent job in terms of public relations.

But I think we're going to be headed for another Oka.

Agreed. These "Warriors" are just another mafia-like group masquerading under the banner of race and political correctness. Deal with them like you would deal with any other group of criminals.

[CaptainCrunch]

Funny story or not.

In 1990 during the Oka crisis, I was reaching the end of my military career. But I volunteered to my unit commander to go out there and assist.

He of course replied simply -"Umh we don't want a blood bath there, you don't have the right temperment for this kind of job"

[Blaster86]

If they have the weapons my favorite Cpuck grouch says they have then I believe there is only one viable option.

edit - No,no that's over the line. Hardline justice is direly needed here.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

If they have the weapons my favorite Cpuck grouch says they have then I believe there is only one viable option.

edit - No,no that's over the line. Hardline justice is direly needed here.

I must have missed Troutman's post

[FanIn80]

Clearly, the only answer to this is to sneak into the reserve tonight, and re-paint the Canada-US border so it goes around the north end of the reserve... leaving them all completely on US soil.

I'd love to watch them storm the "Canadian" customs facility then.

[MJM]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Clearly, the only answer to this is to sneak into the reserve tonight, and re-paint the Canada-US border so it goes around the north end of the reserve... leaving them all completely on US soil.

I'd love to watch them storm the "Canadian" customs facility then.

If they became part of the US overnight, the US would have them under control by morning.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Clearly, the only answer to this is to sneak into the reserve tonight, and re-paint the Canada-US border so it goes around the north end of the reserve... leaving them all completely on US soil.

I'd love to watch them storm the "Canadian" customs facility then.

I'm with you!

[MJM]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Funny story or not.

In 1990 during the Oka crisis, I was reaching the end of my military career. But I volunteered to my unit commander to go out there and assist.

He of course replied simply -"Umh we don't want a blood bath there, you don't have the right temperment for this kind of job"

I remember talking to the soldiers in the lobby of the hotel there. They were completly disheartened. Essentially were paid attack dumbies for the Mohawks without the ability to retaliate.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by MJM

I remember talking to the soldiers in the lobby of the hotel there. They were completly disheartened. Essentially were paid attack dumbies for the Mohawks without the ability to retaliate.

Yup, what people don't realize is the concept of peacekeeping and police actions really run counter to what a soldier is trained to do.

In the simplest words and thanks to J.L Granatstein soldiers are trained to kill people and blow stuff up. They're trained to enforce the will of the government and to an extension the peoples wills on enemies whether foreign or domestic, in a violent and assertive manner, whether in a offensive or defensive capacity.

Using soldiers to stand in a line and look menacing is a waste of materials, its a job for Law enforcement not a infantry man.

If you want a soldier to take down a barracade his first instinct is to shoot the hell out of it, call in artillary, then use the engineers to blow the debris off of the road.

If you want to call in a soldier to intimidate a unruly mob, then your calling in the wrong guy, a soldier would conceal himself try to find the leader and kill him, then roll up the rest of the mob.

Sure soldiers have been used for mob control before, but it never works out well.

Soldiers will proudly help out during a natural disaster, it makes them a good citizen and you can't shoot a hurricane.

Soldiers will lay out their lives to save your life . . . as long as your not a threat.

But using soldiers as cops, or peace makers and taking away the tools that make soldiers effective is the wrong use for good material.