Iran's Presidential Elections

[Vulcan]

This is good. Crying fraud and proving it are two different things and this analysis shows pretty clearly the ham fisted way it was done. They didn't even try to make it look legitimate.

[Azure]

I'm trying to figure out that if they DID rig the outcome, why not make the results closer?

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Azure

I'm trying to figure out that if they DID rig the outcome, why not make the results closer?

Farideh Farhi had a good editorial on this:

Why did they do it so brazenly? Why not try to fiddle with the results in ways they have done with the past , by voiding ballots, stuffing them here and there and so on and lo and behold draw Ahmadinejad’s name with let us say 52 percent of the vote. Because they couldn’t. The incredible turnout made it impossible for such subtle manipulation of results. This brazenness was deemed necessary as a show of force; to make sure that the chunk of the electorate that is usually silent in Iran but was turned vocal/political in this election again becomes silent, apolitical, and cynical.

http://tehranbureau.com/2009/06/13/alerts-from-tehran/
From Tehran Beureau, but probably reprinted from somewhere else.

[mikey_the_redneck]

This vote was rigged because the powers that be want the U.S. and Iran to fear and hate eachother................and an Israel/U.S.A./Iran war will be inevitable.........

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

This vote was rigged because the powers that be want the U.S. and Iran to fear and hate eachother................and an Israel/U.S.A./Iran war will be inevitable.........

I don't look at anything as being inevitable.
That there are elections going on is good.
That they are rigged is bad.
That the people are protesting is good and I can see some hope for the future.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

This vote was rigged because the powers that be want the U.S. and Iran to fear and hate eachother................and an Israel/U.S.A./Iran war will be inevitable.........

This is called being crazy. Which powers that be? The Illumanati?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by peter12

This is called being crazy. Which powers that be? The Illumanati?

Read my previous post on the first page of this thread.
The U.S.A. has had their hand in Iranian politics for decades.......

and BTW I have not looked into The Illuminati...

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Read my previous post on the first page of this thread.
The U.S.A. has had their hand in Iranian politics for decades.......

and BTW I have not looked into The Illuminati...

Sure the Americans have been interfering with Iran (and a whole lot of other countries) for ages but to say they rigged this election is really out there.

I doubt very much that they are capable of doing this in today's world and I can't see Obama and the Israeli's wanting a war with Iran, Obama has enough on his plate.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Sure the Americans have been interfering with Iran (and a whole lot of other countries) for ages but to say they rigged this election is really out there.

I doubt very much that they are capable of doing this in today's world and I can't see Obama and the Israeli's wanting a war with Iran, Obama has enough on his plate.

Haha............Obama doesnt make the decisions.

America's financial backers............in the grand scheme of things, want to have control over the supply of oil.

The USA will create an "excuse" to go to war with Iran in the coming years.............just as 9/11 was an excuse to invade Iraq, Pearl Harbor was an excuse to invade Europe, and the sinking of the Lusitania was an excuse to enter into WW1 as well.......

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Haha............Obama doesnt make the decisions.

America's financial backers............in the grand scheme of things, want to have control over the supply of oil.

The USA will create an "excuse" to go to war with Iran in the coming years.............just as 9/11 was an excuse to invade Iraq, Pearl Harbor was an excuse to invade Europe, and the sinking of the Lusitania was an excuse to enter into WW1 as well.......

Well I've brought up the same points in arguments about Iraq, on this board and as far as politics goes, I'm as jaded as they come, but there is a line of common sense that you don't cross, or you get to wear labels a lot worse than redneck.

Iran isn't going to be easy pickings for the military, for your oil conspiracy theory. The US can't afford another war of any kind.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Well I've brought up the same points in arguments about Iraq, on this board and as far as politics goes, I'm as jaded as they come, but there is a line of common sense that you don't cross, or you get to wear labels a lot worse than redneck.

Iran isn't going to be easy pickings for the military, for your oil conspiracy theory. The US can't afford another war of any kind.

Israel will start the war, and the U.S. will join them. I wish I could get into more detail on this, but my post would be monstrous. The big financiers in the U.S. make ALOT of money from war, especially it if is sustained, kind of like what is happening with Iraq.

There is A LOT of Jewish owned money in the US, mostly on Wall Street, and a lot of Isreali lobbyist in their government. Hell, the U.S. sold them nukes......
As long as the Ferderal Reserve Bank is in charge, war will continue with the U.S.A. They are already in unrecoverable debt to the Fed, so what does it matter at this point?

Some of the big bankers like Rockefeller and guys like Dick Cheney and other prominent business/political figures have shares in Halliburton. Halliburton makes war supplies basically, and so war makes them rich.

Halliburton even got charged for selling nuclear technology to Iran.
http://www.infowars.com/halliburton-...ogies-to-iran/
Whoops I forgot.

[octothorp]

It's come to light that the election officials initially told Mousavi to start preparing his victory speech, and then a couple hours later began releasing the surprisingly pro-Ahmadinejad results. Which is just more proof to add to what is pretty conclusively a case of fraud.

http://tehranbureau.com/2009/06/13/t...in-a-nutshell/

One of the more interesting developments is the reported resignation of Rafsanjani from the Assembly of Experts and the Expediency Council. This surprises me a lot as Rafsanjani is a fairly ambitious politician, and if it's true, either he's been forced out or he thinks that the revolution is coming and he wants to be sure to be on the right side. There's also rumours of a crackdown on reformist intellectuals and clerics throughout the country.
It seems that we're seeing the transition of Iran from a theocracy to something of a military dictatorship; it remains to be seen whether the people of the country will allow such a shift to happen.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Israel will start the war, and the U.S. will join them. I wish I could get into more detail on this, but my post would be monstrous. The big financiers in the U.S. make ALOT of money from war, especially it if is sustained, kind of like what is happening with Iraq.

There is A LOT of Jewish owned money in the US, mostly on Wall Street, and a lot of Isreali lobbyist in their government. Hell, the U.S. sold them nukes......
As long as the Ferderal Reserve Bank is in charge, war will continue with the U.S.A. They are already in unrecoverable debt to the Fed, so what does it matter at this point?

Some of the big bankers like Rockefeller and guys like Dick Cheney and other prominent business/political figures have shares in Halliburton. Halliburton makes war supplies basically, and so war makes them rich.

Halliburton even got charged for selling nuclear technology to Iran.
http://www.infowars.com/halliburton-...ogies-to-iran/
Whoops I forgot.

Yep, yep but Cheney isn't running things anymore and Obama was one of the only ones who saw through the Iraq war and won't allow himself to be manipulated.

Israel may make a bombing raid on Iran to take out their nukes but without the USAs backing, they are on their own.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Israel will start the war, and the U.S. will join them. I wish I could get into more detail on this, but my post would be monstrous. The big financiers in the U.S. make ALOT of money from war, especially it if is sustained, kind of like what is happening with Iraq.

There is A LOT of Jewish owned money in the US, mostly on Wall Street, and a lot of Isreali lobbyist in their government. Hell, the U.S. sold them nukes......
As long as the Ferderal Reserve Bank is in charge, war will continue with the U.S.A. They are already in unrecoverable debt to the Fed, so what does it matter at this point?

Some of the big bankers like Rockefeller and guys like Dick Cheney and other prominent business/political figures have shares in Halliburton. Halliburton makes war supplies basically, and so war makes them rich.

Halliburton even got charged for selling nuclear technology to Iran.
http://www.infowars.com/halliburton-...ogies-to-iran/
Whoops I forgot.

I don't know where to begin with your rant, but I'll start with your point
about the US selling Israel nukes.

Israel got its nuclear material from France and South Africa.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by blankall

I don't know where to begin with your rant, but I'll start with your point
about the US selling Israel nukes.

Israel got its nuclear material from France and South Africa.

Yeah, you're right about that, my mistake I should have checked on that.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Israel will start the war, and the U.S. will join them. I wish I could get into more detail on this, but my post would be monstrous. The big financiers in the U.S. make ALOT of money from war, especially it if is sustained, kind of like what is happening with Iraq.

There is A LOT of Jewish owned money in the US, mostly on Wall Street, and a lot of Isreali lobbyist in their government. Hell, the U.S. sold them nukes......
As long as the Ferderal Reserve Bank is in charge, war will continue with the U.S.A. They are already in unrecoverable debt to the Fed, so what does it matter at this point?

Some of the big bankers like Rockefeller and guys like Dick Cheney and other prominent business/political figures have shares in Halliburton. Halliburton makes war supplies basically, and so war makes them rich.

Halliburton even got charged for selling nuclear technology to Iran.
http://www.infowars.com/halliburton-...ogies-to-iran/
Whoops I forgot.

At the heart of almost every conspiracy theory, there is barely veiled anti-Semitism.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Mikey...do you really know what you are talking about?

"Haliburton makes war supplies, basically".

No. Haliburton is an oil field service company. They don't manufacture war supplies.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Mikey...do you really know what you are talking about?

"Haliburton makes war supplies, basically".

No. Haliburton is an oil field service company. They don't manufacture war supplies.

My bad, Halliburton profits from war in the middle east, but the name I was thinking of was Blackwater and to a lesser extent KBR, which many names like Bush, Cheney, Bin Laden etc. have a steak in. Here is some info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KBR_(company)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_USA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halliburton

These companies make massive profit from war in the middle east.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

My bad, Halliburton profits from war in the middle east, but the name I was thinking of was Blackwater and to a lesser extent KBR, which many names like Bush, Cheney, Bin Laden etc. have a steak in. Here is some info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KBR_(company)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_USA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halliburton

These companies make massive profit from war in the middle east.

Blackwater is a mercenary group, they still don't manufacture war supplies.

[CaptainCrunch]

Well Blackwater is more of a paramilitary organization, their TOE is more based around small arms, transport vehicles and decidedly non combat available helicopters and transport planes.

They don't profit from selling equipment. They profit from exporting mercenaries, mostly poorly paid mercenaries from 3rd world countries that are badly trained and paid but extremely profitable.

But they aren't arms dealers.