Wrong address on bylaw ticket

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by FlamesKickAss

how will they find you if they have the wrong address?

It's a bylaw ticket. The bylaw officer was at the guy's house, wrote out the ticket and either gave it to him or dropped it at the house. Mailing wasn't necessary.

Thanks for the ideas, guys. I still don't know if this ticket is legal, but I at least have a lot of varying opinions.

[FlamesKickAss]

^^ bylaw tickets can be given out besides just at your house you know.

thats brutal that he was at the house and still got the address wrong. it should be tossed for sheer stupidity

No, an incorrect address will not get the ticket thrown out.

Identity does don't include your physical address.

Someone mentioned a cop getting the intersection wrong in court testimony. Proving where the offence took place is part of the charge. Hell, I've seen the crown forget to confirm the offence actually took place in Calgary and it got tossed.

[malcolmk14]

Tell him to take it and drop it off at the right address.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

No, an incorrect address will not get the ticket thrown out.

Identity does don't include your physical address.

Someone mentioned a cop getting the intersection wrong in court testimony. Proving where the offence took place is part of the charge. Hell, I've seen the crown forget to confirm the offence actually took place in Calgary and it got tossed.

But in this case if the bylaw transgression occurred at the house and the house is wrong on the ticket how can they prove the offence?

For example if the offence is not cutting the grass but the address on the ticket is for a house that has no grass on front then there is no offence and the ticket goes away.

How do you defend a case against you without the facts? If an essential fact is the actual house and that is wrong, there is no case to defend.

[ken0042]

^^ That's my thinking too. If it's a ticket for smoking on the C-train platform, then the address is a moot point. But if the ticket is for not keeping the grass mowed; I would think what grass wasn't mowed is a vital part of the ticket.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Oops! My bad!

Apologies Boblobla, I totally took your post out of context.

np at all, I wasn't really clear that I was joking. Unless you have seen how I react to people who get their panties bundled about fighting tickets there is no reason you would suspect I was joking.

[Boblobla]

This thread needs more anger imo.

Originally Posted by Titan

But in this case if the bylaw transgression occurred at the house and the house is wrong on the ticket how can they prove the offence?

For example if the offence is not cutting the grass but the address on the ticket is for a house that has no grass on front then there is no offence and the ticket goes away.

How do you defend a case against you without the facts? If an essential fact is the actual house and that is wrong, there is no case to defend.

I see where your coming from.

Do we know where the offence took place? The fact he showed up at his house doesn't mean it has anything to do with his physical address. Unless I missed it in one of the posts I skipped over...

If that is the case, there might be an issue, however, the bylaw officer will write notes on the matter. There might be a discrepancy in the address on the face of the ticket and the one in his notes but, I would think it would really depend on the mistake. Was it a wrong number (ie. the house number was 5432 and he wrote 5423) or a completely wrong address? Did he simply obtain the address from the identification given to him by the accused? Is it easily explainable.

This is the way it generally works: If there is a FATAL error, ie. illegible, wrong section, incorrect court date, etc. (there are others but I won't list em all), the ticket will get quashed. If you are written a ticket, and there is not question that your address, for example, 4325 Memorial Drive istead of 4352 Memorial Drive was written in error, or your name, Roberto Luongo is written Roberta Luongo in error, those are not considered fatal errors. The fact you show up to fight the ticket based on those mistakes is proof enough that had knowledge and understanding of the ticket.

[FlamesKickAss]

I once had a ticket quashed when I got busted with fake id (stupid zero fell off 1980 at liquor store and he called cops and kept me there). The cop believed it so much he put me in adult court. I sent my parents to pay and ticket had been quashed already. Parents didn't tell me for a couple weeks they got their money back.

[FlamesAddiction]

I got a ticket for going through a yellow light and on the ticket, they put my name as "Steven" when it is "Stephan". The spellings are similar, but the pronuniations are different enough that they aren't the same names.

I was planning on fighting the ticket anyway because I didn't feel going through a yellow in extremely slippery conditions was bad, but I thought the fact they had my name wrong was enough to throw it out on its own. But when I mentioned it to the judge that the name on the ticket wasn't my name, he seemed more irritated with me than with the mistake.

Apparently cops don't need to pay attention to detail or have observation skills.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I got a ticket for going through a yellow light and on the ticket, they put my name as "Steven" when it is "Stephan". The spellings are similar, but the pronuniations are different enough that they aren't the same names.

I was planning on fighting the ticket anyway because I didn't feel going through a yellow in extremely slippery conditions was bad, but I thought the fact they had my name wrong was enough to throw it out on its own. But when I mentioned it to the judge that the name on the ticket wasn't my name, he seemed more irritated with me than with the mistake.

Apparently cops don't need to pay attention to detail or have observation skills.

I love how people make statements like this, like a spelling mistake is a horrible mistake, and that it implies that he is either incompetent in his job, or the requirments aren't very hard.

You ever misspell something at work?

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I got a ticket for going through a yellow light and on the ticket, they put my name as "Steven" when it is "Stephan". The spellings are similar, but the pronuniations are different enough that they aren't the same names.

I was planning on fighting the ticket anyway because I didn't feel going through a yellow in extremely slippery conditions was bad, but I thought the fact they had my name wrong was enough to throw it out on its own. But when I mentioned it to the judge that the name on the ticket wasn't my name, he seemed more irritated with me than with the mistake.

Apparently cops don't need to pay attention to detail or have observation skills.

Irony.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I love how people make statements like this, like a spelling mistake is a horrible mistake, and that it implies that he is either incompetent in his job, or the requirments aren't very hard.

You ever misspell something at work?

Sure, and when I do make spelling errors at my job, I am held accountable and there are usually repercussions - even if they are trivial. If I spell a clients name incorrectly on a report or legal document, it IS a big deal. If their name in Michael and I put Michelle, then that is a big deal. If I put the wrong sample location, time, or date on a sample label, it's nothing to be shrugged off. In fact, it has happened in the past where clients in my industry have gotten in serious legal trouble for such small errors - and we are sometimes filling out hundreds of such documents a day. Perfection is expected 100% of the time.

If someone is getting accused for something, the person being accused should expect that the details are correct, otherwise, how can you trust their judgement? This is especially true if the charge is something that requires a judgement call.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Irony.

Way to point out a typo on a message board. You deserve the police hero award of the year for that little piece of detective work... That takes about twice as much aptitude than reading someone's name off their ID and transferring it to paper correctly.

Typo on a messageboard =/= incorrect information on a legal document.

[FlamesKickAss]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

You ever misspell something at work?

not when I have the form in front of me

[onetwo_threefour]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I love how people make statements like this, like a spelling mistake is a horrible mistake, and that it implies that he is either incompetent in his job, or the requirments aren't very hard.

You ever misspell something at work?

Not me, I have so much money that I have assistants to spell things wrong for me.

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Way to point out a typo on a message board. You deserve the police hero award of the year for that little piece of detective work... That takes about twice as much aptitude than reading someone's name off their ID and transferring it to paper correctly.

Typo on a messageboard =/= incorrect information on a legal document.

Right. I am sure police would love to write tickets in your little cushy, controlled environment... yes, it would be easy to transfer the info in that environment.
It didn't take any detective work to see your error. It is very ironic that you criticize people for the spelling mistakes yet you make them yourself....

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Right. I am sure police would love to write tickets in your little cushy, controlled environment... yes, it would be easy to transfer the info in that environment.
It didn't take any detective work to see your error. It is very ironic that you criticize people for the spelling mistakes yet you make them yourself....

Cushy environment? About 50% of the time, I am writing out documents on waterproof paper in freezing rain and snow.... not even inside a cushy vehicle like cop would.

The bottom line is, if someone can't transfer information correctly, it calls into question the integrity of everything. For example, if it was a speeding ticket, how do we know that the kilometers were transerred to the ticket correctly? How do we know that the calibration information from the radar was correctly recorded? How do we know that other details were ignored due to laziness?

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I make so much money, sometimes I circle the block a few times and get 3 or 4 multanova tickets just so I can go pay them.

I actually pay people to go drive around multanova rigs for me!