There could be strong advantages to most environments for higher beings to be shaped more or less like us.
Think of the variables, gravity, temperature, comets/cosmic collisions, and 100's of other things that could have drastically changed evolution of intelligent life.
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Furthermore, we don't exactly know the threshold for life and how and where it evolves. We assume there needs to be water, so there's already a big similarity between our environment and a possible alien one. But it could be that the window for environments that sustain higher life is relatively narrow, therefore making it even more likely that any life that did exist, would evolve in a similar manner to us.
Well thats definitely a point being debated, extremophiles can exist in extreme heat/cold and in very toxic enviornments. Question is on such a harsh planet could anything evolve beyond the very simple structure we find on earth of these extremeophiles.
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Not saying it wouldn't or couldn't happen the way you said, just that I don't think it's so unbelievable they might not be humanoid or partially humanoid in nature. We don't really know anything about evolution of life on other planets, or even enough about life, to really hazard an accurate guess.
We can take some queues from our own evolution and that of our planets micro organisms and fauna. We have some idea of what certain conditions would favor in terms of evolution, temperatures, etc..
With the vast size of the universe its very possible if there is plentiful life all around it that there are somewhat similar beings to us, but likely they will have very few things in common with us other than intelligence.
I don't discount any of those possibilities, I just in the frame of this debate am talking about the obvious coincidence the aliens people describe seeing are all very human like and I think most people who are skeptical agree that's a sure sign of them being false claims.
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All that said, I have come to believe for quite sometime we have never been visited by aliens if there are even any out there. The more you research the cases, the more they seem fishy. Also there are strong logical arguments against us being visited, but not being 'contacted' as a species. It's more likely, we're not visited at all. Beings that could bend time and space, as they would have to to get to us, would have much better things to do then spy on us from afar, and experiment with us and our cows.
I agree, and yeah I don't buy the idea they would not contact us if they came all this way, nor would Roswell be likely considering IF aliens could come all this way using such amazing technology to do it, I doubt they'd then crash into our planet.
Think of the variables, gravity, temperature, comets/cosmic collisions, and 100's of other things that could have drastically changed evolution of intelligent life.
Well thats definitely a point being debated, extremophiles can exist in extreme heat/cold and in very toxic enviornments. Question is on such a harsh planet could anything evolve beyond the very simple structure we find on earth of these extremeophiles.
That's precisely what I'm saying. It could be that the more complex life (or a life form) becomes, the more it evolves in one direction. I mean, think of Earth examples. You get more strangeness, and more variety, in the simpler creatures, the smaller ones, the ones that rely on their brains less. You get things that CAN survive without oxygen, without water, in heat, cold and radiation. But, as far as we know, they remain very simple in structure.
Plus you have to factor in that higher life forms will use tools. For them to use tools they would have to develop structures at least slightly similar to us in terms of appendages and brains. Now I understand, they will form their tools based on how their bodies evolved, not vice versa. Something that evolved with pincers, would have tools suited for them. But if they've conquered space travel, it's safe to assume they've created and worked with tools for a long time. And would bare at least a little resembelance to us in that respect. (Unless of curse you're going all out there with energy beings or thought beings or whatever, and in that case, we probably wouldn't be aware of them anyway)
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We can take some queues from our own evolution and that of our planets micro organisms and fauna. We have some idea of what certain conditions would favor in terms of evolution, temperatures, etc..
But wouldn't that make what I was saying more likely?
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With the vast size of the universe its very possible if there is plentiful life all around it that there are somewhat similar beings to us, but likely they will have very few things in common with us other than intelligence.
Agree, I just see both trains of thought as possibilities with their own merit. I can definitely see it either way.
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I don't discount any of those possibilities, I just in the frame of this debate am talking about the obvious coincidence the aliens people describe seeing are all very human like and I think most people who are skeptical agree that's a sure sign of them being false claims.
True enough. It is easier to make up what you're familiar with. Doesn't mean the underlying idea behind it is poor though. But I agree, could mean they are probably lying, (or just confused and fooling themselves).
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I agree, and yeah I don't buy the idea they would not contact us if they came all this way, nor would Roswell be likely considering IF aliens could come all this way using such amazing technology to do it, I doubt they'd then crash into our planet.
Haha kinda like driving all the way home from Montreal without incident and then hitting your next door neighbour as he backs out of his driveway? Could happen... But yeah, a craft that can withstand faster than light travel or the stress of a wormhole type rip, could probably take a puny earth electrical storm.
in the frame of this debate am talking about the obvious coincidence the aliens people describe seeing are all very human like and I think most people who are skeptical agree that's a sure sign of them being false claims.
Now I don't believe in UFO's one bit, but I think this is a common fallacy (also in many other cases not related to UFO's.)
Just because someone explains something in a way that doesn't seem credible does not in any way mean that they didn't actually see "it". Actually I'd state that with the "standardization" of the bug-eyed alien in the popular media, it's quite likely that if a person was to actually see anything even remotely resembling a grey humanoid in a situation he believes to be "impossible", his brain would make him believe he is seeing a bug-eyed alien.
So basicly, assuming that a vaguely humanoid shape is good enough to be pretty likely to pop up somewhere else too, and that there's really only one species of aliens watching us, which is not in any way an unlikely number, then there's really nothing suspicous about all those sightings of bug-eyed aliens, as such.
Just because some people see stereotypical terrorists everywhere doesn't mean that there are no terrorists.
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OH one thing that I wanted to mention, does it bother anyone else when people say "I saw a UFO" and they tell you it was an alien craft?
I mean when did Unidentified Flying Object become, "I saw something in the sky, its clearly an alien craft."
Those people should start calling them IFO's when they claim to know what they are
THIS!!!
I just watched a show on youtube about UFOs near airports and there was an Air traffic contoller conversation recorded saying they were seeing a UFO blah blah blah.....so the people doing the show were like, these people obviously beleive there is a visitor from another world around the ariport. its like, no....they said it was a UFO because it was flying....and it was unidentified (meaning they couldnt tell what it was). I do beleive in aliens though. Not necessarily that they've visited us (maybe roswell), but yeah.
But yeah, a craft that can withstand faster than light travel or the stress of a wormhole type rip, could probably take a puny earth electrical storm.
