Anti war protestor George Galloway Banned from Canada - Page 2 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

CaptainCrunch · 03-20-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagor

Wrong call IMO.

Not that I totally disagree with it and don't understand the reasoning behind it, just that it benefits Galloway and hurts Canada more than if they had allowed him to enter. He's going to get more airtime and media out of this than if he had sneaked in, done his debates or whatever they are and left.

As extreme as he may be, he's no Fred Phelps. The man can put forward an articulate argument for his side and wil stand his ground and debate his viewpoint. Canadians should have been able to exercise their own thought process as to the merits of these views. They don't need mollycuddling.

And FTR, I can't stand his views but enjoyed watching him rip apart Norm Coleman and the US senate. Also loved watching him and BBC's Jeremy Paxman go at it.

Sorta a no win situation for Canada but I feel if they hadn't given him the attention he merits, he would have been in and out with minimal publicity.

To me its the right call, and I'm glad that the government is upholding its law on this. If it was just about his views, who cares let him in. But its about locking the gate on a guy that gives money and equipment to a aggressive violent group who likely bought AK-47's and suicide vests with his money.

The guy is either naive or an idiot or a mix of both. But good for the government for sticking to their grounds.

CaptainCrunch · 03-20-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I'd liken it to an unlawful accessory.

Sure, you didn't murder the bank guard, you just drove the getaway car.

Or you didn't murder the bank guard, but you bought him the gun and ammo.

Bagor · 03-20-2009, 02:59 PM

Here's a question.

What about all the people during the recent protests against Israels actions that were marching whilst carrying Hamas flags?

Does that constitute support for a terrorist organisation?

Should they have been rounded up and deported if not citizens?

PsYcNeT · 03-20-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Or you didn't murder the bank guard, but you bought him the gun and ammo.

More or less.

Either way, you facilitated a crime with full compliance, which at minimum deserves some form of punishment.

CaptainCrunch · 03-20-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagor

Here's a question.

What about all the people during the recent protests against Israels actions that were marching whilst carrying Hamas flags?

Does that constitute support for a terrorist organisation?

Should they have been rounded up and deported if not citizens?

Did they fund raise for Hamas? Were they collecting money?

PsYcNeT · 03-20-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagor

Here's a question.

What about all the people during the recent protests against Israels actions that were marching whilst carrying Hamas flags?

Does that constitute support for a terrorist organisation?

Should they have been rounded up and deported if not citizens?

Verbal support is not $25,000 and multiple vehicles.

And yes, if they weren't full citizens their visa rights etc. should have at least been looked at by the immigration board.

Bagor · 03-20-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The guy is either naive or an idiot or a mix of both. But good for the government for sticking to their grounds.

He's an idiot, agreed, no doubt about that but IMO he's far from naive. He's managed to identify a niche and carve out a very successful career for himself by homing in on Britain's largest Muslim constituency for election.

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Did they fund raise for Hamas? Were they collecting money?

Did Yasser Arafat? Did Gerry Adams? Is this a new law?

Hemi-Cuda · 03-20-2009, 03:23 PM

the only country this embarrasses is Britain, since their laws allowed a terrorist funder to be elected into office

4X4 · 03-20-2009, 03:25 PM

I love how the thread title calls him an anti-war protester instead of a financial supporter of terrorism.

PsYcNeT · 03-20-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagor

Did Yasser Arafat?

For all his flaws, Arafat vehemently opposed Hamas during his tenure.

Bagor · 03-20-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

For all his flaws, Arafat vehemently opposed Hamas during his tenure.

My point was that as lately as 2002 Arafat's signature was on documents that supported funding of organisations on PSC's list.

On May 6, the Israeli government released a report, based in part on documents captured during the Israeli occupation of Arafat's Ramallah headquarters, which included copies of papers signed by Arafat authorizing funding for al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades' activities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_...ilitant_groups

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-en.asp

Just pointing out the inconsistencies.

CaptainCrunch · 03-20-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagor

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Did Yasser Arafat? Did Gerry Adams? Is this a new law?

I believe it came into play during the conservatives first term, so its relatively new.

PsYcNeT · 03-20-2009, 04:00 PM

Was Arafats last visit during the Convervative reign, or the Liberals?

Dan02 · 03-20-2009, 04:02 PM

title should read terrorist group supporter not anti war protestor. How a Hamas supporter is labeled anti war is confusing to me.

CaptainCrunch · 03-20-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Was Arafats last visit during the Convervative reign, or the Liberals?

Liberals I believe.

Azure · 03-20-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagor

Here's a question.

What about all the people during the recent protests against Israels actions that were marching whilst carrying Hamas flags?

Does that constitute support for a terrorist organisation?

Should they have been rounded up and deported if not citizens?

Pretty sure they were Canadian citizens, or at least landed immigrants.

So, they have the right to say whatever they want.

Both of us don't like it.....but we don't have too. Its their right.

JoseCuervo · 03-20-2009, 04:26 PM

Bush Supports Terrorist groups and he was in Calgary the other day. No one is saying he should not have been let into the country. He supported the Taliban when they were fighting the Russians. He supported Al Qaeda until they turned against him. But there he was having a nice lunch in Calgary.

Azure · 03-20-2009, 04:27 PM

I think the difference between Arafat and this guy is that Arafat was willing to compromise for peace.

Any government that wanted a peace accord between Israel/Palestine, was forced to work with Arafat.

Big difference.

Azure · 03-20-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JoseCuervo

Bush Supports Terrorist groups and he was in Calgary the other day. No one is saying he should not have been let into the country. He supported the Taliban when they were fighting the Russians. He supported Al Qaeda until they turned against him. But there he was having a nice lunch in Calgary.

......because the world is a black/white place, with no gray area in between.

JoseCuervo · 03-20-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

......because the world is a black/white place, with no gray area in between.

What i'm trying to say is just because he supports a side that the west deems as "terrorists", doesnt mean he should not be allowed to talk to an audiencein Canada. Were not a dictatorship, were all about free speech or so I thought. He should have the same rights as Bush, to tell people what he thinks.