Insane Quebec Seperatists want a long recession

[GreatWhiteEbola]

If Quebec were to seperate, they would occupy Labrador and claim it as part of Quebec. We would then be forced to go to war and conquer all of Quebec and once again it will be part of Canada.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

Its most "un-canadian" to be sure, but I'm not sure I'd say their nationalism is racist, its simply threatened by Canadian multiculturalism and they don't like that and make no concessions on it.

Most proud cultures would react the same, in fact, many are worse and their cultures aren't even threatened by state multiculturalism, like Japan and Denmark for instance.

I would argue that most "proud cultures" are very racist at their heart. I say that and I'm a Dane. Danes are so racist.

There's also a difference between being proud enough of your culture to want to share it freely with others and enacting tyrannical legislation (like the Sign Law) to protect your increasingly isolated culture.

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

Its most "un-canadian" to be sure, but I'm not sure I'd say their nationalism is racist, its simply threatened by Canadian multiculturalism and they don't like that and make no concessions on it.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_..._parizeau.html

Immediately after the results became clear, Parizeau blamed his narrow loss on what he referred to as “money and the ethnic vote.”

Sorry, but I don't that it is a stretch to think that their "nationalism" is racist as displayed by their previous remarkable leader.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I agree with you, but to play devil's advocate on some of these points.

France claims they don't care, but sure enough they are usually around to stir up trouble. Furthermore, they may say they want nothing to do with them now, because saying otherwise would be a casus belli (yeah, right, but still...) or at very least a massive diplomatic insult against Canada. But a sovereign Quebec... that's now a different story with different rules.

That argument goes the same for the EU. I suspect the EU would ignore them though.

The US is a different angle. Quebec would be a threat to them unchecked, how better to keep them under control, then to make them a protectorate, like Puerto Rico.

Canada could likely try to step in the same as the US in that regard. Canada and Quebec would have to maintain decent relations for obvious reasons... for one, our capital would be a bordertown, with half of its former boroughs in a foreign land... another, we would both rely on the St. Lawrence Seaway, and both would have legitimate claim to it.

One thing can not be understated, it would be a total political cluster###### and an economic nightmare.

But that's why it would never happen. The Clarity Act was ham-handed, but it essentially sets term for separation. A failure to disobey those terms would, in my mind, be an act of sedition and subject to military intervention by Canada.

It's fairly simple to see how an actual separation would proceed. Canada gets Montreal and co-sovereignty of the St. Lawrence. The aboriginal bands get the North and the leftovers for the separatists are basically Quebec City and hick-town Quebec.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by peter12

I would argue that most "proud cultures" are very racist at their heart. I say that and I'm a Dane. Danes are so racist.

There's also a difference between being proud enough of your culture to want to share it freely with others and enacting tyrannical legislation (like the Sign Law) to protect your increasingly isolated culture.

I agree, but I don't think racism is quite the right term. Intolerance might be better.

As for the sign law, one could argue that the language laws in Canada are by definition tyrannical legislation, to try to forcibly manufacture concensus (and actually, an act intended to assimilate Quebec and Anglo Canada)

Provinces should have had the right to choose. In places like New Brunswick, it makes more sense. In places like BC, Mandarin might make a better candidate as a second language.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I agree, but I don't think racism is quite the right term. Intolerance might be better.

As for the sign law, one could argue that the language laws in Canada are by definition tyrannical legislation, to try to forcibly manufacture concensus (and actually, an act intended to assimilate Quebec and Anglo Canada)

Provinces should have had the right to choose. In places like New Brunswick, it makes more sense. In places like BC, Mandarin might make a better candidate as a second language.

Absolutely, I agree.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by ikaris

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_..._parizeau.html

Immediately after the results became clear, Parizeau blamed his narrow loss on what he referred to as “money and the ethnic vote.”

Sorry, but I don't that it is a stretch to think that their "nationalism" is racist as displayed by their previous remarkable leader.

I reiterate they are intolerant by Canadian standards, but racism and intolerance aren't the same.

He was largely right though. Ethnic voters didn't want to leave Canada.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by peter12

But that's why it would never happen. The Clarity Act was ham-handed, but it essentially sets term for separation. A failure to disobey those terms would, in my mind, be an act of sedition and subject to military intervention by Canada.

It's fairly simple to see how an actual separation would proceed. Canada gets Montreal and co-sovereignty of the St. Lawrence. The aboriginal bands get the North and the leftovers for the separatists are basically Quebec City and hick-town Quebec.

Agreed mostly. I'm not sure they could really cut up the province like that. Especially if there are portions and suburbs of Montreal, Hull and Gatineau (for instance) that want to separate and others to stay. The Indian bands and the north would be a different story, since they were granted to Quebec by Canada. St. Lawrence would definitely be co-owned, which is why a measure of cordial relations would be a must.

[Azure]

We should let them separate, and then go to war and claim back Quebec minus all the idiot separatists.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Azure

We should let them separate, and then go to war and claim back Quebec minus all the idiot separatists.

Of course, with most of our functional equipment in Afghanistan, and a handful of soldiers left here, victory is far from assured.

I should add, I think most Separatists are a bunch of whiny pricks too stupid to actually achieve their goal properly, but I sympathize with their ideal. Quebec really is a totally different culture, despite Canada's attempts to water it down.