and btw, real men only need on bass drum and one pedal.
These men also wear tights, more makup than Judge-Judy, and more hair than Oprah. They also insist on singing in incredibly high-pitched falsetto for most of the show.
Real men use two kicks pedals, if not just two kick drums.
Check out the making of "Alien" by Strapping Young Lad on YouTube. Check out Gene Hooglan. Thats a real drummer.
lol at your description. i assume you think i was talking about some hair metal drummers. but i was not. the first person that comes to my mind is buddy rich. though he did have an amazing double bass solo, he was adamant about using only 1 drum and pedal. that guy could play circles around any modern drummers if he was still alive.
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lol at your description. i assume you think i was talking about some hair metal drummers. but i was not. the first person that comes to my mind is buddy rich. though he did have an amazing double bass solo, he was adamant about using only 1 drum and pedal. that guy could play circles around any modern drummers if he was still alive.
OOOHHHH, you meant Jazz drummers?
I stand entirely corrected!
No double-kick in jazz, just insane amounts of practice and heroin.
For starters, buy a good practice pad (I recommend a Remo tunable practice pad) learn the ESSENTIAL 26 rudiments http://www.drumnetwork.com/rudi1.htm (play very close attention to accents) and if you can swing it, invest in a good quality metronome to practice with. This will help solidify your internal clock which is very important and will help you avoid the typical drummer jokes, ie too fast too slow...
IMO I wouldn't buy a kit off the hop. Its my opinion the best way to go is to invest in the pad, metronome, practice like crazy and go from there.
If you are dead set on buying a kit, shop around. Beginner kits are fine and dandy, but often you can piece your kit together from different places. Shells, cymbals, hardware, ect. IMO if you decide to piece together your own kit, invest the most money in the shells, hardware, and then cymbals, in that order. To often people blow their drum fund wad on cymbals, and cheap out on crap drum shells... backwards thinking IMO.
Also, if you do go about this with a pad and metronome, I would recommend following your metronome by playing quarter notes with your left foot while practicing rudiments. Also doing different combos with your left and right foot is great. I would recommend REALLY paying attention to your left foot. Solid hi hat playing is essential for a good drummer, and sadly, rock band doesn't require a left foot.
You may find some rudiments are easier or more fun to play, but don't overlook the ones that challenge you. Myself my favorite rudiments are single paradiddles, paradiddle diddles, flamacue's, 5, 7 and 9 stroke rolls, and double stroke rolls. Another big part is practicing rudiments with each other, for example, you could play 2 parradiddles, then play 3 paradiddle diddles, then repeat. You'll find doing this sort of thing alternates your sticking patterns, which is a big part of playing. Dont allow yourself to become comfortable playing certain accents with say, your right hand. Both are important.
If you have any questions on practice material or anything, please feel free to ask.
Here are some of my favorite drummers just in case you need a lil more inspiration.
the first person that comes to my mind is buddy rich. though he did have an amazing double bass solo, he was adamant about using only 1 drum and pedal. that guy could play circles around any modern drummers if he was still alive.
Buddy Rich... that reminds me of another terrible drummer (sort of) joke:
Telephone rings
Mrs Rich: Hello?
Caller: Can I talk to Buddy Rich?
Mrs Rich: Buddy's dead.
Caller: Okay, bye.
Telephone rings again
Mrs Rich: Hello?
Caller: Can I talk to Buddy Rich?
Mrs Rich: Buddy Rich is dead!
Caller: Okay, bye.
Telephone rings yet again
Mrs Rich: Hello?
Caller: Can I talk to Buddy?
Mrs Rich: BUDDY RICH IS DEAD! I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT!!!
Caller: Yeah I know, I just like hearing it.
and btw, real men only need on bass drum and one pedal.
And only fools limit their options.
Musical hi hat playing is a skill every good drummer has, and sadly, most drummers dont have a left foot. I love double bass, but so many people get into drums to play fast and do sup0r coolz double bass!!111!1 and end up sucking.
"Real men" have the ability to use their left foot. Regardless of what pedal is under their foot.
If there is one drummer I would recommend you build your style from, it would be Carter Beauford, (of Dave Matthews Band fame). He doesn't play the in the traditional crossover hi-hat/snare system, but reverses it and plays snare with his right hand and hi-hat with his left. It really opens you up and allows you to freely play some amazing things.
Carter has his own video called, "Under the Table and Drumming":
carter beauford is a great drummer and has an amazing internal clock. i wouldn't really recommend someone use him as someone to learn from just because he is pretty unique and doesn't follow best practices. (kinda like watching favre play qb. while his style works for him, not something that should be emulated)
dabber - i think we actually agree on the bass issue. i actually have no problem with double bass, but as you note, too many drummers and drummer enthusiasts seem to think that every song needs double bass the whole time. folks these days seem to think that playing fast is playing well. speed has trumped rhythem and groove. its kinda sad.
van - everything i have ever heard about rich was that he was indeed a total jerk. gotta love all the clips you can find of him yelling at his band.
regarding dabber suggesting that a practice pad and rudiments is the way to go, i understand that opinion, but i think if someone is interested in drum set, might as well just go for it. sure, playing a paradiddle is great, but that can come down the road. i think too many kids get turned off of drums because they are stuck learning how to hold a stick and memorizing rudiments. i still suggest that if a person wants to play drum set, they get a cheap crappy set and try it out. (my first set was a really old slingerland that had camber high hats and an avanti crash)
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dabber - i think we actually agree on the bass issue. i actually have no problem with double bass, but as you note, too many drummers and drummer enthusiasts seem to think that every song needs double bass the whole time. folks these days seem to think that playing fast is playing well. speed has trumped rhythem and groove. its kinda sad.
Totally agree. I love metal, I grew up on it, but myself I prefer to be able to play anything. If double bass gets someone into drumming, great, but fundamentals are often overlooked. If you wanna see some sick single kick control, check out Jojo Mayer. Guy is amazing.
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regarding dabber suggesting that a practice pad and rudiments is the way to go, i understand that opinion, but i think if someone is interested in drum set, might as well just go for it. sure, playing a paradiddle is great, but that can come down the road. i think too many kids get turned off of drums because they are stuck learning how to hold a stick and memorizing rudiments. i still suggest that if a person wants to play drum set, they get a cheap crappy set and try it out. (my first set was a really old slingerland that had camber high hats and an avanti crash)
I understand this sentiment, and I think its great that someone would want to take it up, even just for fun. But I think if your gonna do it, go about it the right way and practice things that make you a better player and in the end, make your playing easier and more fluid. Of course the OP is going to do what he wants to do, but I strongly recommend learning proper technique and grip. Grip is another subject (and personal one too) altogether.... just dont hurt yourself. This is a hobby that you can enjoy for the rest of your life if you take care of yourself.
And ummm.... dobbles... you still have that old Slinger set?
And ummm.... dobbles... you still have that old Slinger set?
actually i sold it way back when i started upgrading my set. it was to the younger brother of one of my best friends. he actually spent a lot of time restoring it. none of the toms had resonant heads or anything, and the bass drum didn't even have the mountings for the front head. he drilled holes in the shell and everything!
he's a total punk type guy though; doesn't give it the love it deserves! i was only about 19 when i sold, so i didn't love them properly either! i went for the buy new approach.
(sorry that could probably been said in a PM, but thought i would share for other drummers out there)
btw, the harmony, avanti, and camber cymbals were all retired as they should be!
good call on jojo mayer as well. not real familiar with him but what i have heard him play is real good.
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So for $500 you'd get the drums, 3 cymbal stands (one also holds the two floor toms), a 21" Avedis rock ride, 14" solar hi-hats, 18" solar crash/ride. You can have the 16" Sabian crash as well, but it has a small crack in it, although it sounds fine for practicing. ...and the drum throne.
The drum heads could prbbaly use replacing fairly soon, which would cost about $50 to $60.
My hubby just said the other day : I wonder how many rock stars in the future are going to say they were inspired by playing Rock Band. Have fun learning! Always wish I would have taken up something besides the recorder in grade 5.
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It's funny, most of my students who started on rock band and wanted to learn the real drums have some absolutely terrible and very deeply-ingrained bad habits, the most significant of which is that they don't listen to themselves, they only "feel" what they're playing with their hands and feet.
