Tsn unveils top 10 sports stories of 2008

[Dion]

Phelps and the Bolts would be my top 2 choices.

[FallingMeTook]

Originally Posted by flip

Second saying Tiger did it on one leg is kind of bull. Pretty sure guys in every other major sport (cept maybe baseball because its for wusses) has Championships won by key players with WAY more severe injuries than Tigers.

Agree with pretty much the rest of your post, but Kirk Gibson takes a bat to this argument.

[flip]

Originally Posted by FallingMeTook

Agree with pretty much the rest of your post, but Kirk Gibson takes a bat to this argument.

Yeah it was kind of a sweeping generalization, but for the most part you don't see guys playing with injuries in baseball (that i know of anyway), or maybe they just don't get hurt as often because the lack of physical play.

[Sainters7]

Phelps and Bolt are easily #1, after that it gets cloudy. The Brett Favre story was headline news in the sports world for basically the entire summer, so I'd consider nominating that for #2.

[JiriHrdina]

Wimbeldon was unreal but I have to go with Tiger - one of the most amazing performances in sports ever.

[Dan02]

Superbowl followed by Bolt, was never impressed with Phelps, not because his accomplishment wasn't impressive, but because i'm rather disgusted by how many medals they give out in swimming, ranks right up there with race walking IMO. Should be 1 race fastest to the end and back, add different lengths for different events, but it seems ridiculous to me to be giving medals out for fastest at swimming in a manner thats not the fastest.

We should demand they add the 1 legged hop and 3 legged race to the track events.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by flip

To me the fact that it made the top ten at all isn't right. Only reason it is on that list at all is because it was Tiger. Any other golfer accomplishes that feat and nobody would even care.

That's kind of the point, though, isn't it? There isn't another golfer on the planet who could accomplish that feat.

Do you have any idea how much you use your knees in a golf swing? I don't even know of another golfer who would even play in a major on one knee, never mind actually winning it.

[flip]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Wimbeldon was unreal but I have to go with Tiger - one of the most amazing performances in sports ever.

Originally Posted by FanIn80

That's kind of the point, though, isn't it? There isn't another golfer on the planet who could accomplish that feat.

Do you have any idea how much you use your knees in a golf swing? I don't even know of another golfer who would even play in a major on one knee, never mind actually winning it.

The point is that what Tiger did wasn't THAT amazing at all. He played on a bum knee, so what? Guys play with injuries all the time in other sports. Tigers accomplishment is so overrated I almost feel like the rest of you guys are being had. Sure it was great that he won a major with an injury, but it isn't 1/100th of the Curt Schilling bloody sock, and I think even that was blown way out of proportion.

Anyone who believes Tiger wasn't intentionally grimacing for the cameras and playing it up is gullible IMO.

And yes I golf and yes I know how much you use your knees so save the "you don't know anything about it" comments.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by flip

The point is that what Tiger did wasn't THAT amazing at all. He played on a bum knee, so what? Guys play with injuries all the time in other sports. Tigers accomplishment is so overrated I almost feel like the rest of you guys are being had. Sure it was great that he won a major with an injury, but it isn't 1/100th of the Curt Schilling bloody sock, and I think even that was blown way out of proportion.

Anyone who believes Tiger wasn't intentionally grimacing for the cameras and playing it up is gullible IMO.

And yes I golf and yes I know how much you use your knees so save the "you don't know anything about it" comments.

Um didn't Tiger have ACL/MCL issues....thats pretty major dude.

[flip]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Um didn't Tiger have ACL/MCL issues....thats pretty major dude.

Compared to what? Umpteen injuries sustained and played through by guys in other sports?

Plus the severity of the injury can be debated. The fact that he got surgery is more reflective of the society of golf than anything else. In most other physical sports they just shoot it up and keep playing then deal with the pain for 20 years after they retire.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by flip

Compared to what? Umpteen injuries sustained and played through by guys in other sports?

Plus the severity of the injury can be debated. The fact that he got surgery is more reflective of the society of golf than anything else. In most other physical sports they just shoot it up and keep playing then deal with the pain for 20 years after they retire.

I think you're confusing a "torn ACL" with a "stubbed toe."

Knee Surgery to End Tiger's Season
Posted Jun 18, 08 11:12 AM CDT in Sports

(AP) – Tiger Woods will miss the rest of the season because of surgery to repair a torn ligament in his left knee, AP reports—an injury he has dealt with the last 10 months despite winning nine of 12 tournaments. Woods said on his website today he suffered a double stress fracture of his left tibia while preparing to return to the PGA Tour last month, which forced him to miss the Memorial and was the source of his pain at Torrey Pines when he won the US Open.

He had arthroscopic surgery April 15 to clean out cartilage in his left knee, bypassing ACL surgery with hopes it could get him through the 2008 season. But going 91 holes for his 14th career major made it impossible to play any longer. "Now, it is clear that the right thing to do is to listen to my doctors, follow through with this surgery, and focus my attention on rehabilitating my knee," Woods said.

Clearly, the man is a complete pansy.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by flip

The point is that what Tiger did wasn't THAT amazing at all. He played on a bum knee, so what? Guys play with injuries all the time in other sports. Tigers accomplishment is so overrated I almost feel like the rest of you guys are being had. Sure it was great that he won a major with an injury, but it isn't 1/100th of the Curt Schilling bloody sock, and I think even that was blown way out of proportion.

Anyone who believes Tiger wasn't intentionally grimacing for the cameras and playing it up is gullible IMO.

And yes I golf and yes I know how much you use your knees so save the "you don't know anything about it" comments.

You mean i can't tell you about my good friend who has a bad knee and sometimes grimices in pain when he hits a driver or iron shot?

Okay.... i'll save the comment

[flip]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I think you're confusing a "torn ACL" with a "stubbed toe."



Clearly, the man is a complete pansy.

So what?

Do you want me to post a bunch of articles from the NHL and NFL about guys that played with injuries much worse than this?

I still think his injury wasn't as serious as he and CBS made it out to be.

I never called him a pansy, I said he doesn't deserve the top 10 sports stories of the year.

Try typing injury into google and see how many guys have played with worse.

How many guys in the NHL or NFL have forgone surgery and finished the season only to have it worked on later? I don't think they get story of the year very often. They are just considered regular players.

The only reason Tiger's accomplishment is significant is that he's playing in a sport where every player comes from an upper class family who's had top tier treatment their whole lives. Playing through pain for PGA players is not having their favorite sunscreen.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by flip

The only reason Tiger's accomplishment is significant is that he's playing in a sport where every player comes from an upper class family who's had top tier treatment their whole lives. Playing through pain for PGA players is not having their favorite sunscreen.

You're obviously not biased at all.

Edit: Oh, and I just spent 10 minutes searching google to find another athlete who has played their sport on a torn ACL for 10 straight months before single-handedly winning a championship on one leg and then having season-ending surgery.

Since there aren't many sports that have 10 months seasons... well. Let's just say there's not much to report.

Luckily for you, though, there are lots of stories of heroic single-game efforts that ended in blowout loses for the guy with the injury... so I guess you win.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by flip

So what?

Do you want me to post a bunch of articles from the NHL and NFL about guys that played with injuries much worse than this?

I still think his injury wasn't as serious as he and CBS made it out to be.
.

All due respect this is what bugs me - the suggestion that for some reason Tiger Woods was playing up the injury. That those grimaces were exaggerated or fake.

What proof do you have that the injury wasn't serious?

Again the confirmed is a torn ACL AND a double stress fracture of the tibia.

Are the doctors exaggerating their diagnosis?

I would challenge you to produce a list of athletes that played through a torn ACL and double stress fracture of the tibia.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by flip

Anyone who believes Tiger wasn't intentionally grimacing for the cameras and playing it up is gullible IMO.

Call me gullible.

Then again I lived with a torn ACL for 8 months so I actually do know a little something about how much pain Tiger was likely in.

[flip]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

You're obviously not biased at all.

Edit: Oh, and I just spent 10 minutes searching google to find another athlete who has played their sport on a torn ACL for 10 straight months before single-handedly winning a championship on one leg and then having season-ending surgery.

Since there aren't many sports that have 10 months seasons... well. Let's just say there's not much to report.

Luckily for you, though, there are lots of stories of heroic single-game efforts that ended in blowout loses for the guy with the injury... so I guess you win.

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

All due respect this is what bugs me - the suggestion that for some reason Tiger Woods was playing up the injury. That those grimaces were exaggerated or fake.

What proof do you have that the injury wasn't serious?

Again the confirmed is a torn ACL AND a double stress fracture of the tibia.

Are the doctors exaggerating their diagnosis?

I would challenge you to produce a list of athletes that played through a torn ACL and double stress fracture of the tibia.

You know what you're right. I'll concede that Tiger wasn't faking. The media however basically acted like he had figured out a way to walk with two broken legs.

Second you guys are going about this the wrong way. I think what Tiger did is great, but the fact that he was able to do it makes it not a story. Any guy in any other sport couldn't do it because it would just be too hard. Their sports are way to physically demanding and it just isn't possible to play with a fractured tibia.

And to suggest that golf isn't an elite sport for the upper class is ludicrous. How is that a bias just because 99% of golfers were already upper class people before they started? Do you know how expensive it is to have a membership at a private golf club? Been to the Glenco (sp?) in calgary lately? To suggest that is bias is silly, tell me the last time a golfer had to put up with conditions that NFL or NHL players have had to?

Are you gonna tell me that what Tiger did was any harder than guys playing 20 or so NFL games to win the Superbowl? Or warring it out every second night for 3 months like the NHL playoffs?

What Tiger did was great, and maybe no other golfer could do it, so maybe in comparison to his own sport it was fantastic, but compare it to any other sport and I just don't see how playing injured is a big deal, and the fact that his sport is easy enough physically compared to the other sports that he was able to rules him out.


BTW my you should know that 4 rolling eyes emoticons cannot be topped so I win this argument by default.

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by flip

Any guy in any other sport couldn't do it because it would just be too hard.

This is correct, because nobody else in any other sport on the planet dominates their opposition like Tiger Woods does.

Tiger is the most dominant player in any sport in history. His heroic effort at the US Open will go down as one of the top performances in sports history, not just golf.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by flip

Second you guys are going about this the wrong way. I think what Tiger did is great, but the fact that he was able to do it makes it not a story. Any guy in any other sport couldn't do it because it would just be too hard. Their sports are way to physically demanding and it just isn't possible to play with a fractured tibia.

Up until Tiger did it I would have thought the same thing about golf. Which is what makes it so impressive.

Originally Posted by flip

And to suggest that golf isn't an elite sport for the upper class is ludicrous. How is that a bias just because 99% of golfers were already upper class people before they started? Do you know how expensive it is to have a membership at a private golf club? Been to the Glenco (sp?) in calgary lately? To suggest that is bias is silly, tell me the last time a golfer had to put up with conditions that NFL or NHL players have had to?

You don't need a membership at a private course to play golf. Hockey is pretty damn expensive to play and I know a lot of families that can't afford to have their kids in it.

Really though I have no clue what any of that has to do with the debate at hand.

Originally Posted by flip

Are you gonna tell me that what Tiger did was any harder than guys playing 20 or so NFL games to win the Superbowl? Or warring it out every second night for 3 months like the NHL playoffs?

Not harder. Not easier. Different.

Originally Posted by flip

What Tiger did was great, and maybe no other golfer could do it, so maybe in comparison to his own sport it was fantastic, but compare it to any other sport and I just don't see how playing injured is a big deal,

He wasn't just playing injured - it was the type of injury he had that makes it unreal.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by flip

And to suggest that golf isn't an elite sport for the upper class is ludicrous. How is that a bias just because 99% of golfers were already upper class people before they started? Do you know how expensive it is to have a membership at a private golf club? Been to the Glenco (sp?) in calgary lately? To suggest that is bias is silly, tell me the last time a golfer had to put up with conditions that NFL or NHL players have had to?

I play an average of 45 rounds of golf each summer. Nor am i a member of the upper class or some private golf club. Many other golfers are in the same boat as me .To suggest that 99% of golfers are elite is ridiculous