Go West, young man -- but stop at the Alberta border

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Absolute garbage.

well then i must agree with you :P

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

Calgary is a little slow for me culturally, I can't imagine living in Saskatchewan!

Indeed you can't if you believe we lack culture or multi-cultralism.

Four years ago what I wanted to do after I finished my degree was move to Calgary, or the GCA, and buy Flames season tickets. As the years have progressed and my city has begun a transformation I have decided to put some roots down in good ole' Stoon and do not plan to move anywhere. This article speaks a lot of truth, we are far from perfect, but definately a lot better off than we were 5 years ago, and especially a decade ago.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Sure I do.... generating discussion.

I think my election website is still up; if people choose to they can read my stance on several issues there. Or my blog.

I am not looking for support. I post on several forums, a couple are very political and tend to be right of centre. It's like preaching to the choir.

I very much enjoy reading responses that are opposite or different to mine.They give me food for thought and at times make me rethink my position. I think it expands my knowledge and understanding of Albertans. So I guess if I have an "agenda"; it is bettering myself through listening to diverse views from Albertans.

Perhaps you would prefer I be like all the other political hacks and stay within my defined group; sorry, I like diversity.

If you don't wish to join the discussion or have a personal dislike for me; it is very simple to choose not to click on threads that I start.
I will not be offended; that is a difficult task to accomplish.

A few things:

1. I don't dislike you. In fact, I have no clue who you even are.
2. CP is not an extension of any personal blog you may or may not have. I believe (though I may be wrong) that most people here would rather read threads that have clearly defined points to them. We should also not be expected to have to read your journal in order to get your point.
3. I represent the general Alberta voting population: I am someone who has better things to do with my time than study the intricacies of hidden-agenda based policies. I am someone who would rather the person talking to me would just get to the point and say what's on their mind, and then trust me to form my own opinions without the benefit of persuasion. If you expect to earn the vote of someone like myself (for anything) it may be a good thing to work on this one.

Honestly, I'm not trying to piss you off. I'm just very weary of the whole smoke and mirrors political tactic. If you want me to pay attention to anything you (or whichever party you represent) say, you should use your own words and your own ideas. Keeping in mind, of course, that the "I" in my previous statement really means "most of Alberta."

Edit: I'd never in a million years try to persuade you to not post things here. I'm really just asking you to make your point clearer for people like myself who don't have the kind of time needed to research the background behind your posts. Hopefully you take it as such.

Edit: Removed a few things. I tend to do that. In fact, I may even remove this latest edit at some point.

Edit: Hmmm. I'm rethinking part of what I wrote. The persuasion part, specifically. I actually have the personal belief that, if someone feels strongly about something, they have a responsibility to try to change my mind. I may or may not remove this point at any given time. Rawr.

Edit: In fact, it may be plausible to take everything I've written here and throw it out the window. I believe there's a possibility that I may or may not do this and I hereby reserve the right to do so at any given moment in time.

Edit: Also... pie is so much better than cake, that it's not even really a valid discussion. I may or may not alter my stance on this edit accordingly.

[flamesfever]

Saskatchewan has learned the hard way that you have to work with Industry to craft legislation that is a win /win situation for both parties. I recall in the 70's when the Saskatchewan Government figured they could find and develop their oil better than the private sector by forming Saskoil, they essentially shut down private investment for a very long time (+ /- 15? years). Glad to see they have learned by their mistakes.

I don't feel Alberta's conventional oil and gas industry will get back to normal until the new Royalty System is scrapped.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Saskatchewan has learned the hard way that you have to work with Industry to craft legislation that is a win /win situation for both parties. I recall in the 70's when the Saskatchewan Government figured they could find and develop their oil better than the private sector by forming Saskoil, they essentially shut down private investment for a very long time (+ /- 15? years). Glad to see they have learned by their mistakes.

I don't feel Alberta's conventional oil and gas industry will get back to normal until the new Royalty System is scrapped.

Hopefully the AB gov't clues in soon that there will be less money floating around with $50/barrel of oil rather than $145/barrel *gasp* What a shocking revelation.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Of course, but assumed by posting them both, you were in agreeance to them.
If I'm assuming too much, please expand on your opinion regarding my point. Do you agreee with the author of this article about stoping at the AB border, or do you agree with the other article about the booming BC economy steeling revenue and jobs from Alberta?
I guess what I'm really asking, is for your opinion on the clear conflicting stances of the 2 articles you've just posted.

I honestly don't remember the one specific to BC, however the last few things I have posted on this subject are all in a similiar vein; in that Alberta is no longer necessarily the best place to do business. (referring to O&G) I don't see that as conflicting, just different perspectives on who might benefit from our loss.

Business investment dollars are flowing out to both BC and Sask. IMO Sask has the better chance of longterm benefit from it. I have confidence in Brad Wall to take them in the right direction. He has shown this in other areas beyond O&G. (personal tax, as an example)

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

A few things:

1. I don't dislike you. In fact, I have no clue who you even are.
2. CP is not an extension of any personal blog you may or may not have. I believe (though I may be wrong) that most people here would rather read threads that have clearly defined points to them. We should also not be expected to have to read your journal in order to get your point.
3. I represent the general Alberta voting population: I am someone who has better things to do with my time than study the intricacies of hidden-agenda based policies. I am someone who would rather the person talking to me would just get to the point and say what's on their mind, and then trust me to form my own opinions without the benefit of persuasion. If you expect to earn the vote of someone like myself (for anything) it may be a good thing to work on this one.

Honestly, I'm not trying to piss you off. I'm just very weary of the whole smoke and mirrors political tactic. If you want me to pay attention to anything you (or whichever party you represent) say, you should use your own words and your own ideas. Keeping in mind, of course, that the "I" in my previous statement really means "most of Alberta."

Edit: I'd never in a million years try to persuade you to not post things here. I'm really just asking you to make your point clearer for people like myself who don't have the kind of time needed to research the background behind your posts. Hopefully you take it as such.

Edit: Removed a few things. I tend to do that. In fact, I may even remove this latest edit at some point.

Edit: Hmmm. I'm rethinking part of what I wrote. The persuasion part, specifically. I actually have the personal belief that, if someone feels strongly about something, they have a responsibility to try to change my mind. I may or may not remove this point at any given time. Rawr.

Edit: In fact, it may be plausible to take everything I've written here and throw it out the window. I believe there's a possibility that I may or may not do this and I hereby reserve the right to do so at any given moment in time.

Edit: Also... pie is so much better than cake, that it's not even really a valid discussion. I may or may not alter my stance on this edit accordingly.

1. I don't dislike you either.

2. I have no such expectation.

3. Generally as a thread (and discussion) develops I will contribute and/or debate. (time permitting, I do have a busy life). Sometimes, I simply "observe".

I am not looking for anyone's vote or support for the party I am involved with. And that is what, at times makes it difficult for me to post my opinions. When I do, some interpret that as "party policy" rather than my "personal" opinion.

I do not know if I will run again; but it is always in the back of my mind....anything I type today could come back to haunt me later. From the party's perspective I have to be very aware of statements I make publicly.

I know you are not trying to piss me off. I can see how my being cautious about spewing my opinions could be interpreted as smoke and mirrors, that is not the intent.

As for your edits.....

[Muta]

I do agree with others, First Lady, that in order to clarify some of your points, you should make your political stance / leanings more clear to this forum when you can, instead of referring people to your blog or other sites. You and I wouldn't have had that back and forth a a while ago if you just solely stuck to this forum and not involved other sites.

[flamesfever]

I also seem to recall the NDP's Dave Barrett fiddling with the royalties in BC back in the 70's and paying the price with drastically reduced activity.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Muta

I do agree with others, First Lady, that in order to clarify some of your points, you should make your political stance / leanings more clear to this forum when you can,

I believe I do; in fact some of said they are surprised I am still here given the "unfriendly" fire.

instead of referring people to your blog or other sites. You and I wouldn't have had that back and forth a a while ago if you just solely stuck to this forum and not involved other sites.

Water under the bridge.
That was all in good fun; besides it all turned out well.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Water under the bridge.
That was all in good fun; besides it all turned out well.

Agreed!

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by First Lady

1. I don't dislike you either.

2. I have no such expectation.

3. Generally as a thread (and discussion) develops I will contribute and/or debate. (time permitting, I do have a busy life). Sometimes, I simply "observe".

I am not looking for anyone's vote or support for the party I am involved with. And that is what, at times makes it difficult for me to post my opinions. When I do, some interpret that as "party policy" rather than my "personal" opinion.

I do not know if I will run again; but it is always in the back of my mind....anything I type today could come back to haunt me later. From the party's perspective I have to be very aware of statements I make publicly.

I know you are not trying to piss me off. I can see how my being cautious about spewing my opinions could be interpreted as smoke and mirrors, that is not the intent.

As for your edits.....

I had no idea that you had ran for anything. It's actually pretty neat, the people who post here and some of the things they've done. Actually the entire concept of a human being pretty much blows me away - if that makes any sense.

I digress... What I'm trying to say is that I think it's awesome that you've actually stood up and tried get involved. So many people (myself included) have plenty to say, but so few of us (myself included) actually do anything of significance about it. I used to be pretty vocal about a lot of things, and one day a friend of mine called me on it. He said (he's french, btw), "Every day you have something, but you never do the things." (Translation: "Get off your ass and put your money where your mouth is.")

I've always wanted to get involved, but well... life and procrastination and fear and all that.

Anyway, kudos for trying to make a difference with more than just a couple words at a cocktail party. I know it's not easy!

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Absolute garbage.

But enough about the Western Standard....

Seriously - quoting from the Western Standard? I could have told you they would have taken that stance in my sleep.

Brad Wall got lucky plain and simple with commodity prices. Hell, Lorne Calvert probably deserves credit for Sask's recent success by positioning them so well. Think the Bakken will still be as hot with $45 oil?

Think Wall's such a hot shot? Explain his Saskatchewan First Policy. Restricting Crown corps to invest solely in province is moronic - capital should flow to the best opportunity with the best return to taxpayers.

Am I the only one that stares with dumbfounded looks at Saskies that seem to think that Saskatchewan is invincible and they they're not going to take a hit as a part of this global crisis?

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

But enough about the Western Standard....

Seriously - quoting from the Western Standard? I could have told you they would have taken that stance in my sleep.

Brad Wall got lucky plain and simple with commodity prices. Hell, Lorne Calvert probably deserves credit for Sask's recent success by positioning them so well. Think the Bakken will still be as hot with $45 oil?

Think Wall's such a hot shot? Explain his Saskatchewan First Policy. Restricting Crown corps to invest solely in province is moronic - capital should flow to the best opportunity with the best return to taxpayers.

Am I the only one that stares with dumbfounded looks at Saskies that seem to think that Saskatchewan is invincible and they they're not going to take a hit as a part of this global crisis?

The best return for taxpayers is to not have these jokes of business around in the first place. I'm sure legitimate private investment loves having to pay monopoly prices for a lot of inputs into their businesses because a bunch of socialists half a century ago or more decided to empire build.

I'm sure if Brad Wall didn't have so many voters that either romanticize with these crown corps or who work union mandated 37.5 hour weeks for these crown corps and would be worried they would lose their cushy jobs, he'd prepare to privitize them all (As was oringianlly in his platform years ago). They only even exist today due to their sacred cow status and not out some business or economic need.