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[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by moon@Jan 9 2005, 11:11 PM
I thought Carey made the right call on the first overturn, but could see how a Broncos fan would be p*ssed.

Colts not clssless at all. Lead by one of the classiest coaches and QBs in all of the league.

What did you see that makes you believe Carey overturned the call correctly?

I agree on the classless accusation. All of that kind of behavior comes straight from the coach...and Dungy is one of the class acts of the NFL....and all NFL head coaches are NOT class acts.

If Denver had been up 28-3 in that situation they would have been trying to score as well.

[Sylvanfan]

As far as I'm concerned theres no such thing as runnin up the score in the first 3 quarters of any football game. Like Jiri said, Houston was up like 38-3 on Buffalo in the third quarter and still lost that game. Now if it's 42-3 and the team is still trying to throw on first down with 2 minutes left in the game than thats a different story.

I didn't see the games today, but Indy had to be clicking like last years game to get that score where it was. The weather will be a huge factor for the Colts next week vs. the Pats. I think both teams are as good or better than they were last year. The league has emphasized contact on receivers largely due to the result of the AFC champ game from last year. If the weather is decent, and the track is good than the Colts can knock off the Pats (especially if the referees call contact on receivers). But if it's raining and the receivers can't run precision routes and the Colts don't have their `A' passing game the Pats will win because the Pats can match the Colts running game and more experienced in bad weather games. It looks like it will be a great matchup.

[Displaced Flames fan]

How sad is it that the only Wild Card winner I could pick this weekend was the team that destroyed my beloved Broncos?

0-3 in the other games.

Sheesh.

[Eddie Bronze]

I'm surprised by the Vikings win, but other than that it went pretty much as expected.

Next weekend's games:

Minnesota at Philadelphia
St. Louis at Atlanta
Indianapolis at New England
NY Jets at Pittsburgh

[habernac]

The broadcast crew wasn't too impressed with Moss swearing in the post game interview. Bradshaw called him "classless and childish" and Brown replied that "talent can only excuse so much". Can't say I disagree with any of that. Too bad some people just seem to feel the need to be arrogant jerks. Surprised Favre lost so badly at home, but everyone has a bad day.

Some good matchups next week. The Colts hope to extract some revenge and prove they can win outside (I don't think they will, but I'm a biased Pats fan..) Minnesota/Philly may be interesting with no Owens in the mix.

For the other two game, I think the home teams will win.

[Displaced Flames fan]

I actually like the home teams in all 4 games....again. Didn't work out too well this weekend though.

I think the Colts and the Rams have a chance to win. I don't think the Vikings or the Jets have a prayer.

[flames_1987]

Originally posted by Flaming Homer+Jan 9 2005, 07:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flaming Homer @ Jan 9 2005, 07:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

In the regular season I can understand that criticism but in a playoff game? You never know what can happen. You keep your foot on the gas until at least mid-way through the 4th.

If a team can't stop the Colts is that the Colts problems - its the other teams.

I wasn't talking directly about todays game, I was saying all season and for the most part all last season, 1 more touchdown for the Colts and its time to sit back as that lead would be to to large for the Broncos to catch up, But I know the Colts will keep going as its what Manning wants for his stats. [/b][/quote]
HAHAHAHA no budd you've never been more wrong and I'm a huge Colts fan so I have the stats on my side to. The colts biggest blow out were against houston chicago, detroit and tenn.. In the first 3 games I pointed out Manning was pulled during or even BEFORE the 4th quarter. In the Houston game it was with 10 min remaining. The rest he was pulled before the 4th even got going!!! Against the titans where the colts won 51-24 The Titans had attempted 3 onside kicks and the game was close going into half and into the 4th I think. Also lets not forget about Baltimore on the Sunday night game where he took a knee!!!! That was a really selfish play for his stats!!

Your post was absolute uninformed crap to be honest. I've watched this team all year and there anything but selfish!! He doesen't care about them he just wants to win, remember for the 2 pointer against SD.

Nice try though on bashing the colts but not gonna happen buddy!

Displaced sorry buddy 2 years in a row! The broncos have a really good team it's just running into the Colts at the RCA dome, well it's tough! I like the team everywhere but at the QB and secondary.

[Pagal4321]

Originally posted by habernac@Jan 9 2005, 07:13 PM
The broadcast crew wasn't too impressed with Moss swearing in the post game interview. Bradshaw called him "classless and childish" and Brown replied that "talent can only excuse so much". Can't say I disagree with any of that. Too bad some people just seem to feel the need to be arrogant jerks. Surprised Favre lost so badly at home, but everyone has a bad day.

I do believe all those comments were directed at his 2nd TD celebration not him swearing in the interview.
Maybe my purple glasses are on for this one. But I didn't see anything wrong with it, immature, sure. So is walking to vistor fans and flexing your muscles or like most NFL TD celebrations are. MEdia loves to hate Randy Moss what can I say.
Glad my team pulled it out when no one gave em a shot. Cept a few CP'ers I see.

Bring on the Eagles...

[Sylvanfan]

I honestly think the road teams have a decent chance in all 4 games next week. In fact Pittsburgh is the only team that I would be surprised to see lose next week out of the group. I'll post my picks for next week in another thread.

[Displaced Flames fan]

'87....

I thought Plummer played really well actually. I like him as the Broncos CB. He's been unfairly hammered. He had a lot of unlucky interceptions this season...and I'm being honest. He does have the odd bonehead pick that makes you shake your head but I can live with that. Elway struggled with that as well...always trying to make something happen. I like his fire (I don't think there are very many QB's in the league that can surpass his intensity) and I like his ability to shake off his own mistakes. A MUST in the NFL. Ask Brian Griese. I hope he stays in Denver, though I would like to see the Broncos draft a blue-chipper at some point.

It might have been a little closer if the Broncos didn't have to start Roc Alexander at corner. He was an undrafted rookie free agent, but injuries to Lenny Walls and Willie Middlebrooks forced him into the starting role. Poor guy. At this point in his career all he has is speed, and that's not enough.

Might have been closer....wouldn't have changed the outcome.

The Broncos are really young. They have a few good looking rookies in Bell, Luke and Watts that could make the offense even better next year...but they need some help on the DL and another good corner would be nice. Depth to cover for injuries like Trevor Pryce had this year on the DL is a must. Still lots of reasons for this Broncos fan to be optimitic.

I just hope Rod Smith sticks around for a few more seasons. I love that guy.

[zarrell]

Originally posted by Pagal4321+Jan 9 2005, 07:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pagal4321 @ Jan 9 2005, 07:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-habernac@Jan 9 2005, 07:13 PM
The broadcast crew wasn't too impressed with Moss swearing in the post game interview. Bradshaw called him "classless and childish" and Brown replied that "talent can only excuse so much". Can't say I disagree with any of that. Too bad some people just seem to feel the need to be arrogant jerks. Surprised Favre lost so badly at home, but everyone has a bad day.

I do believe all those comments were directed at his 2nd TD celebration not him swearing in the interview.
Maybe my purple glasses are on for this one. But I didn't see anything wrong with it, immature, sure. So is walking to vistor fans and flexing your muscles or like most NFL TD celebrations are. MEdia loves to hate Randy Moss what can I say.
Glad my team pulled it out when no one gave em a shot. Cept a few CP'ers I see.

Bring on the Eagles... [/b][/quote]
Agreed 100%. I thought it was, at worst, childish. But I am a huge Viking fan as well.

Should be a gooder next week.

[sbailey924]

Sorry Dis. I wouldn't have minded any of the AFC teams winning the Super Bowl, except for the Pats. I like Rod Smith a lot, too (he's from the same region of Arkansas/Texas that I have family from). I love Al Wilson (UT alum). If I could have any MLB I would pick him (over Ray Lewis). Plummer is better than a lot of people give him credit for. The Broncos seem like a team that is just one defensive player away from a Super Bowl to me.

As far as Randy Moss, I think they were so quick to jump on him because he is Randy Moss. True, he does have a checkered past. I put him and AI in the same boat, because I think those guys try to be good players, teammates, and leaders, but they are too easy to scrutinize. Before last game's incident where he left the field early (which I think was an overreaction by the media), Moss had avoided contraversy for a long time. Was Moss' touchdown thing silly? Of course. But (sorry Dis), Jake Plummer gave the fans/cameras the bird, and the same people laugh about it. There is a double standard for sure.

[Pagal4321]

WHOA....there is another Viking fan in Calgary.....well I'll be damned.
Randy Moss likes the attention, why am I to complain. Dude wants to be in the spotlight, let him. These brodcasters focus too much on class and it's getting kind of annoying at this point.
As much as I think Peyton Manning is a GREAT player they all call him classy cuz he's humble, but now he's the next Favre in respect to being the media darling.

[transplant99]

I'm not saying sit back I'm saying don't go gung ho all the time. Like with under 1 min left in the 2nd quarter an your on your own 40 just run the clock out the respectable thing to do and what most other teams would do but not the great Peyton Manning they throw the ball every play until they're 7 seconds left when guess who sneaks in for the TD. I know that in the end the Colts will either lose or end up winning like 48-17 because they just throw the ball until the clock hits 0:00.

Unreal.

It's what they do...it's called football. Manning set a record this season NOT because he is all about "stats", its because he wants to win...which is the whole idea of playing the damn game.

I have absolutely NO problem with a team still throwing down field in the 2nd , 3rd and even the 4th quarters. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

Maybe they shouldn't of tried to recover the onside kick either???

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally posted by transplant99@Jan 10 2005, 08:47 AM
I'm not saying sit back I'm saying don't go gung ho all the time. Like with under 1 min left in the 2nd quarter an your on your own 40 just run the clock out the respectable thing to do and what most other teams would do but not the great Peyton Manning they throw the ball every play until they're 7 seconds left when guess who sneaks in for the TD. I know that in the end the Colts will either lose or end up winning like 48-17 because they just throw the ball until the clock hits 0:00.

Unreal.

It's what they do...it's called football. Manning set a record this season NOT because he is all about "stats", its because he wants to win...which is the whole idea of playing the damn game.

I have absolutely NO problem with a team still throwing down field in the 2nd , 3rd and even the 4th quarters. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

Maybe they shouldn't of tried to recover the onside kick either???

Nah, what they should have done - to be classy and all - is after they have a 14 point lead in the 1st quarter, all they should do is run the ball up the middle every play (with their 3rd stringer, otherwise that selfish bas**rd James will be blamed for padding his stats); and don't punt the ball longer than 25 yards. At least that way they won't have to worry about a Terrel Owens fan calling them classless.

[habernac]

Originally posted by Pagal4321+Jan 9 2005, 07:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pagal4321 @ Jan 9 2005, 07:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-habernac@Jan 9 2005, 07:13 PM
The broadcast crew wasn't too impressed with Moss swearing in the post game interview. Bradshaw called him "classless and childish" and Brown replied that "talent can only excuse so much". Can't say I disagree with any of that. Too bad some people just seem to feel the need to be arrogant jerks. Surprised Favre lost so badly at home, but everyone has a bad day.

I do believe all those comments were directed at his 2nd TD celebration not him swearing in the interview.
Maybe my purple glasses are on for this one. But I didn't see anything wrong with it, immature, sure. So is walking to vistor fans and flexing your muscles or like most NFL TD celebrations are. MEdia loves to hate Randy Moss what can I say.
Glad my team pulled it out when no one gave em a shot. Cept a few CP'ers I see.

Bring on the Eagles... [/b][/quote]
yeah, saw the "moon" dance afterward. I've seen worse, but I thought Moss was past being the attention whore. To each their own I suppose.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by transplant99@Jan 10 2005, 02:47 PM


Maybe they shouldn't of tried to recover the onside kick either???

I want to take this comment and go a different direction.

I don't often question Mike Shanahan. I used to...and I got proven wrong. Lots.

Here's my problem with the onsides kick.....well...I don't have one actually, but if you're willing to do that at that point in the game...why in the hell did you kick a field goal instead of going for it on 4th and short deep in the red zone?

At worst you pin the Colts back deep in their own territory and your defense has a chance to make a play. At best, you score a TD.

That's one move I can't get my mind around.

and please...no "It wouldn't have mattered anyway" comments. That's not the point. It's football strategy and it's worthy of discussion on it's own.

[Patek23]

Originally posted by I_H8_Crawford+Jan 10 2005, 04:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (I_H8_Crawford @ Jan 10 2005, 04:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-transplant99@Jan 10 2005, 08:47 AM
I'm not saying sit back I'm saying don't go gung ho all the time. Like with under 1 min left in the 2nd quarter an your on your own 40 just run the clock out the respectable thing to do and what most other teams would do but not the great Peyton Manning they throw the ball every play until they're 7 seconds left when guess who sneaks in for the TD. I know that in the end the Colts will either lose or end up winning like 48-17 because they just throw the ball until the clock hits 0:00.

Unreal.

It's what they do...it's called football. Manning set a record this season NOT because he is all about "stats", its because he wants to win...which is the whole idea of playing the damn game.

I have absolutely NO problem with a team still throwing down field in the 2nd , 3rd and even the 4th quarters. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

Maybe they shouldn't of tried to recover the onside kick either???

Nah, what they should have done - to be classy and all - is after they have a 14 point lead in the 1st quarter, all they should do is run the ball up the middle every play (with their 3rd stringer, otherwise that selfish bas**rd James will be blamed for padding his stats); and don't punt the ball longer than 25 yards. At least that way they won't have to worry about a Terrel Owens fan calling them classless. [/b][/quote]
Your making it sound like I like TO, Great reciever but a dick, I'd also like to add that I cheered for the Eagles since 2002 so I didn't just decide to cheer for them because TO went there.


I have a question for you, if the game is 7-1 for Vancouver while playing against calgary(49-7 in football score) and theres 3:41 left in the 3rd and Vancouver goes all out and scores 2 more goals in the game even though 7 goals in 3 minutes is immpossible wouldn't you say thats a bit classless? when teams are up 3-1 with that much time left they don't try to sour the wounds of the other team, so why is it any different in the NFL or when the holy Peyton Manning is throwing TD's left and right?

[transplant99]

:unsure:

I have a question for you, if the game is 7-1 for Vancouver while playing against calgary(49-7 in football score) and theres 3:41 left in the 3rd and Vancouver goes all out and scores 2 more goals in the game even though 7 goals in 3 minutes is immpossible wouldn't you say thats a bit classless? when teams are up 3-1 with that much time left they don't try to sour the wounds of the other team, so why is it any different in the NFL or when the holy Peyton Manning is throwing TD's left and right?

The game at the end of the 3rd Quarter was 35-17 (or 5-2 1/2 in hockey terms).....Denver had just outscored the Colts 14-0 in the 3rd.

3 minutes into the 4th...Manning throws a 6 yard pass to Wayne who then busts it for a 43 yd TD. What was Wayne supposed to do? NOT score? NOT run? Its what they do man...they train their entire lives to do this stuff.

The last TD WAS a run by the backup running back...again...was he supposed to NOT score?

This was in no way, shape or form running up the score. It was doing what the team has trained and practiced to do all year.

Just because this is the most potent offense since the 99 Rams, and they are on a roll like a well oiled machine....doesnt mean they should sit back and relax. They start doing that....you start forming bad habits. It's football...no more no less.

Its like asking baseball players to NOT swing at pitches because they are up 4 or 5 runs. Makes NO sense.

As for the analogy of hockey....if Vancouver scores 3 late in the game to make it 10-1......so be it. What are they supposed to do? NOT shoot the puck??

[Patek23]

Originally posted by transplant99@Jan 11 2005, 04:11 PM
:unsure:

The game at the end of the 3rd Quarter was 35-17 (or 5-2 1/2 in hockey terms).....Denver had just outscored the Colts 14-0 in the 3rd.

3 minutes into the 4th...Manning throws a 6 yard pass to Wayne who then busts it for a 43 yd TD. What was Wayne supposed to do? NOT score? NOT run? Its what they do man...they train their entire lives to do this stuff.

The last TD WAS a run by the backup running back...again...was he supposed to NOT score?

This was in no way, shape or form running up the score. It was doing what the team has trained and practiced to do all year.

Just because this is the most potent offense since the 99 Rams, and they are on a roll like a well oiled machine....doesnt mean they should sit back and relax. They start doing that....you start forming bad habits. It's football...no more no less.

Its like asking baseball players to NOT swing at pitches because they are up 4 or 5 runs. Makes NO sense.

As for the analogy of hockey....if Vancouver scores 3 late in the game to make it 10-1......so be it. What are they supposed to do? NOT shoot the puck??

It's not the fact that they score the TD (by the way I thought Reggie Waynes TD was an amazing example of blocking) It's that that was their main goal even though the game was in the bag, Like in hockey when a teams up by alot they still shot the puck is their number 1 goal to score, no it's more so just to waste time so the games over.