Can someone define Working Notice in Alberta to me?

[onetwo_threefour]

Originally Posted by troutman

Or start your own law firm, so you can surf CP all day.

I notice there are at least three lawyers in here right now.

Hey, I just leave the site open all day, it's not as though I sit around all day reading it. (well not every day anyway)

BTW, sounds like the question was already answered before I read this. Good luck photon, working notice blows, you have to keep doing your job to preserve a decent reference, and somehow find time to find a job while working.

[JiriHrdina]

Sorry to hear Pho.

[photon]

These guys are freaking geniuses I tell you.

I had this EXACT email conversation with I guess who would technically be my boss.

Boss: "How do we get into system X to do updates? Can we get accounts created?"
Me: "System X was alpha, here's the shared ID and password, to create accounts on a system we haven't touched for 2 years we'd have to go back and figure out it worked, might take half a day."
Boss: "A single sign on is sub-optimal."
Me: "Of course it is, I was telling you how things are not how they should be."
Don't here from him for a bit...
Boss: "Can we get accounts setup on System X to do updates?"
Me: "Do you want me to take time out of my current project to do these?"
Boss: "Of course not."
Me: "..."

Not to mention that System X is in alpha, but is being put into production as if it was commercial grade.

It seems every day the priority changed to something that conflicts with the last one.

Anyway, I should stop ranting before I get myself in trouble.

[onetwo_threefour]

Originally Posted by Nancy

Unfortunately, people seem to have high expectations about what the law provides in terms of minimum notice and severance. I understand that it's 2 weeks for less than 4 years, and 8 weeks for more than 10 years.

If it's any consolation, I know 2 people who have gotten laid off in the past week and neither of them worked directly in O & G or in construction.

Actually I have found the opposite, most prole think that what you have posted is correct, but the standards you are listing are from the Employment Standards Code and are almost always less than what the common law would give you. The biggest mistake people make us bringing a grievance through the ESB rather than talking to a lawyer. Unfortunately, once you choose to file under the ESC you are stuck with the limits mentioned in your post.

[Tron_fdc]

Working notice can be used as a way to keep getting some sort of productivity out of employees over the course of the notice, so you don't have to pay lump sum severance (which your company might not want to do if they don't have a bunch of money laying around).

We went through this with our company. The only snag that we were told was that if your employer doesn't give you formal notice on the day you're supposed to be laid off (in your case 3 months from now) then you're still an employee, you still go in to work, and you retain your seniority as if the layoff notice never happened.

Half our office staff got cut when we went through it; some quit outright, some waited until the day they were supposed to be laid off and were let go, and some stayed on past their layoff date. It was a really weird way to "thin the herd" so to speak.

[Phanuthier]

Sorry to hear photon

[Dion]

Sorry to hear that Photon.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Half our office staff got cut when we went through it; some quit outright, some waited until the day they were supposed to be laid off and were let go, and some stayed on past their layoff date. It was a really weird way to "thin the herd" so to speak.

We have to work out how we're going to ship all the servers and computers down to the US office so it's pretty much final.

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Sorry to hear photon

Originally Posted by Dion

Sorry to hear that Photon.

Thanks guys. I'm not too worried, I've got a contract on the side that I really couldn't handle the time of anyway so that's good, I can just transition to that I think. My wife works full time and I only work part time and spend the rest of the time at home with my son anyway.

One small change is now they're offering 1 month's severance if we stay on until the last day. Yipee. Not really enough to make me stay if I found something else I really liked.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by photon

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One small change is now they're offering 1 month's severance if we stay on until the last day. Yipee. Not really enough to make me stay if I found something else I really liked.

Nice logic! They want to get rid of you but at the same time need you to stay till the end

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by fredr123

I didn't mean that Federal employees were lazy or anything like that, but mostly that it's pretty difficult to be fired from a Federal job with a union backing you without some kind of gross misconduct.

As a supervisor in a federal government agency I can say I yearn for the day when I could give someone "working notice".

I have been fortunate to have as many hard working people as I have... but I have had two or three during my 10 years there that figured a government job meant web surfing for life. I have had to do some butt kicking to get some peoples ass in gear. It is frustrating that I have to pay $30/month to a union that spends more time fighting me than defending me.

Speaking of morale and layoffs.... my brothers company is sending out near daily reminders "we are a private company depending on the strength of the global economy and given the current slowdown cutbacks are inevitable". I think I'd rather be in the dark until layoff day rather than sit under that foul cloud for months.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Dion

Nice logic! They want to get rid of you but at the same time need you to stay till the end

Lol no kidding.. I bet they are going to ask me to go over a bunch of old code and document it. I can't wait.

/**
/* Hi, I'm photon and this is my method. It is a very nice method. It does stuff.
/* Once upon a time there was a unicorn, who's friends invited him on a quest.
/*

[onetwo_threefour]

Originally Posted by photon

These guys are freaking geniuses I tell you.

I had this EXACT email conversation with I guess who would technically be my boss.

Boss: "How do we get into system X to do updates? Can we get accounts created?"
Me: "System X was alpha, here's the shared ID and password, to create accounts on a system we haven't touched for 2 years we'd have to go back and figure out it worked, might take half a day."
Boss: "A single sign on is sub-optimal."
Me: "Of course it is, I was telling you how things are not how they should be."
Don't here from him for a bit...
Boss: "Can we get accounts setup on System X to do updates?"
Me: "Do you want me to take time out of my current project to do these?"
Boss: "Of course not."
Me: "..."

Not to mention that System X is in alpha, but is being put into production as if it was commercial grade.

It seems every day the priority changed to something that conflicts with the last one.

Anyway, I should stop ranting before I get myself in trouble.

What are they going to do? Fire you?

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

As a supervisor in a federal government agency I can say I yearn for the day when I could give someone "working notice".

I have been fortunate to have as many hard working people as I have... but I have had two or three during my 10 years there that figured a government job meant web surfing for life. I have had to do some butt kicking to get some peoples ass in gear. It is frustrating that I have to pay $30/month to a union that spends more time fighting me than defending me.

Speaking of morale and layoffs.... my brothers company is sending out near daily reminders "we are a private company depending on the strength of the global economy and given the current slowdown cutbacks are inevitable". I think I'd rather be in the dark until layoff day rather than sit under that foul cloud for months.

Ralph?

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by photon

Lol no kidding.. I bet they are going to ask me to go over a bunch of old code and document it. I can't wait.

/**
/* Hi, I'm photon and this is my method. It is a very nice method. It does stuff.
/* Once upon a time there was a unicorn, who's friends invited him on a quest.
/*

While you are doing that rename all your boolean variable names to TRUE and FALSE and reverse the logic on all your conditionals.

Doing maintenance on code like that would be simply fantastic.

[photon]

typedef struct { int i; } ínt;

You have to look really close.. typedef struct { int i; } ínt;

[photon]

http://freeworld.thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html

LOL!!

Use Static Arrays

If a module in a library needs an array to hold an image, just define a static array. Nobody will ever have an image bigger than 512 x 512, so a fixed-size array is OK. For best precision, make it an array of doubles. Bonus effect for hiding a 2 Meg static array which causes the program to exceed the memory of the client's machine and thrash like crazy even if they never use your routine.
Dummy Interfaces

Write an empty interface called something like "WrittenByMe", and make all of your classes implement it. Then, write wrapper classes for any of Java's built-in classes that you use. The idea is to make sure that every single object in your program implements this interface. Finally, write all methods so that both their arguments and return types are WrittenByMe. This makes it nearly impossible to figure out what some methods do, and introduces all sorts of entertaining casting requirements. For a further extension, have each team member have his/her own personal interface (e.g., WrittenByJoe); any class worked on by a programmer gets to implement his/her interface. You can then arbitrary refer to objects by any one of a large number of meaningless interfaces!

Lol, nerd humour warning.