Ed blinks... Alberta rejigs royalty regime

[Muta]

Originally Posted by First Lady

I was just wondering how long it would be before you showed up.... and there you are.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.

Originally Posted by First Lady

Your failure to see what the industry does to protect, perserve and restore the environment, only illustrates that you too do not have any hands on experience in the field.

Hmm. I am aware that the oil industry does what they can (to an extent) to protect the environment. I may not be an industry hot shot like you, but it's not hard to figure out that more drilling = more of an environmental impact. Unless, you can sit there and say that more drilling is actually positive for the environment.

Originally Posted by First Lady

It has been my experience that people who make statements like "... not even drilling in the first place."; fall into the granola crowd.

Yeah, well, I don't know what your 'experience' is, but it was a pretty baseless comment.

[burn_this_city]

I'd love to hear some practical alternatives to drilling for natural gas to heat homes and provide transportation fuels.

[nik-]

First Lady, I find you annoying. I dislike you. Maybe in face to face communication you don't come across the way you do on these forums, which is all preachy. I'm sure you don't care about my opinion of you, but I thought I'd share it anyway.

[burn_this_city]

At least she doesnt have her brother on here bailing her out when she says something stupid.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Geez, you sound like you are offended by the comment. It was not meant to be offensive.

Some of my best friends are granola crunchers; even some of my family. They are proud of what they do to help our environment; you should be too.

Well why don't you tell me all the ways in which the oil industry protects the environment? I'm not denying they make efforts, but you seem to be implying expert knowledge on the subject.

Enlighten me. Please explain why cancer levels are incredibly high for Fort Chipewyan residents, and how tailing ponds, as an example, are not detrimental to the health of wildlife. Just two of many environmental problems of drilling.

[Dion]

[Muta]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

At least she doesnt have her brother on here bailing her out when she says something stupid.

Does it bug you?

[puckhog]

Originally Posted by Muta

What? He simply implied that more drilling due to lowered royalty rates could harm the environment. I fail to see how more drilling doesn't do that.

I believe that the point to be made here is that the producers are actually responsible for a relatively small amount of the total emissions released by the produced oil and gas. That is to say, for a conventional well the emissions released by the producer total about 10% of the overall emissions released over the life of the hydrocarbon; even for the terribly dirty oil sands, this number is at most 20%. The fact is that the majority of pollutants are released when the hydrobarbon is consumed (burned) by the end-user. Therefore, First Lady's point about taking inventory of all the things you use that require the consumption of hydrocarbons is very valid. The oil and gas companies are simply providing a product to meet a demand, if you truly want to have a positive impact, change the demand.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Well why don't you tell me all the ways in which the oil industry protects the environment? I'm not denying they make efforts, but you seem to be implying expert knowledge on the subject.

Enlighten me. Please explain why cancer levels are incredibly high for Fort Chipewyan residents, and how tailing ponds, as an example, are not detrimental to the health of wildlife. Just two of many environmental problems of drilling.

Drilling mats to protect soft ground, reclaiming pads, and service roads.
Tailings ponds are from strip mining oilsands..

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Muta

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.

We really have to stop meeting like this. People will start to talk.

Hmm. I am aware that the oil industry does what they can (to an extent) to protect the environment. I may not be an industry hot shot like you, but it's not hard to figure out that more drilling = more of an environmental impact. Unless, you can sit there and say that more drilling is actually positive for the environment.

I don't claim to be an expert, I do have a fair amount of contact with the industry with my husband owning a seismic company and a brother who works in Saudi.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Tailings ponds are from strip mining oilsands..

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...ub=CTVNewsAt11

Regardless of words, this is the real crux of the issue.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by fotze

I think the oil sands have a less than impressive/embarassing enviro record, but they have pretty much zero to do with drilling, completely different industry and I have never understood why they are lumped together so often.

People assume they are the same.. The strip mining of the oilsands is truly where the environmental impact comes from.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...ub=CTVNewsAt11

Regardless of words, this is the real crux of the issue.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what was announced today.. All they did was lower royalties for new conventional oil and natural gas.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

That has absolutely nothing to do with what was announced today.. All they did was lower royalties for new conventional oil and natural gas.

But it has everything to do with my point about the environment, which is where the debated in this thread has headed (getting off topic though, I admit.)

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by nik-

First Lady, I find you annoying. I dislike you.

You are not the first.

Maybe in face to face communication you don't come across the way you do on these forums, which is all preachy.

I am sure we all come across differently in person. Who knows, maybe I am worse in person.

I'm sure you don't care about my opinion of you, but I thought I'd share it anyway.

I will keep you in mind if I am ever looking for a public image consultant.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

But it has everything to do with my point about the environment, which is where the debated in this thread has headed (getting off topic though, I admit.)

You drove it right off topic.

Can you help me understand what you link has to do with the royalty changes today? I'm also still curious if you use heat or light in your house?

We are going to quickly get to 2 points:

1) you have no idea what you are talking about and basically are blending anything you can find about one piece of the industry and try to tie it to the entire industry.

2) assuming you use heat or light you are contributing to the development of these mean nasty natural gas drilling programs.

[burn_this_city]

Unfortunately there will always be costs associated with developing any resource. The first tailings ponds created in the 60's will be fully reclaimed by this time next year.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by puckhog

I believe that the point to be made here is that the producers are actually responsible for a relatively small amount of the total emissions released by the produced oil and gas. That is to say, for a conventional well the emissions released by the producer total about 10% of the overall emissions released over the life of the hydrocarbon; even for the terribly dirty oil sands, this number is at most 20%. The fact is that the majority of pollutants are released when the hydrobarbon is consumed (burned) by the end-user. Therefore, First Lady's point about taking inventory of all the things you use that require the consumption of hydrocarbons is very valid. The oil and gas companies are simply providing a product to meet a demand, if you truly want to have a positive impact, change the demand.

Thank you for this well-educated response. I think the point that Ozy was making was that, as a whole, more drilling = more environmental impact. Yes, the products we use are heavily dependent on petroleum, and their supply is related to their demand from the end-user. But if more are being created all the time, it still puts a strain on natural resources which are still finite in supply, that`s all. But you`re right, demand determines this.

Maybe Steady Eddie should look into tax cuts for alternative energy firms, too.

As an related example, when my firm designs a LEED-certified building, that's terrific, that's very environmentally responsible. But, the general result is that a new building has been created. No matter how environmentally responsible it is, it still increases the global demand level for energy, no matter how you spin it. In this sense, the environment has not benefitted at all. Mankind has, due to the construction of the building, but not the environment since the net demand for energy has ultimately gone up.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by First Lady

We really have to stop meeting like this. People will start to talk.

Fine, but I'm not the one writing blogs about you and finding info about you in your personal time. Just sayin'.

Originally Posted by First Lady

I don't claim to be an expert, I do have a fair amount of contact with the industry with my husband owning a seismic company and a brother who works in Saudi.

Fair enough, but back to the question, do you actually believe that more drilling will have a positive environmental impact in general?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

1) you have no idea what you are talking about and basically are blending anything you can find about one piece of the industry and try to tie it to the entire industry.

- So....Are you denying the impact on human and wildlife that oil sands development has? Just curious to know.

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

2) assuming you use heat or light you are contributing to the development of these mean nasty natural gas drilling programs.

- LOL....Nice attempt at trying to back me into a corner. Of course I use heat and light. I also minimize my use of it, and try and find alternative methods to use, such as solar and natural sunlight.