Two school systems. Does it cost more?

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by DementedReality

ps ... i think its a croc! why not fund muslim and jewish school systems?

Alberta does give funds to Jewish schools (I am not 100% sure about Muslim or Hindu schools, but I would assume they get the same deal).

When I went to school we were a part of the CBE, then part of the Catholic board for a few years. Not sure if there is an affiliation now.
I would think that their General Studies program is funded. What I know for sure is that tuition for Jewish school in Alberta is about $2000 while in ON it is $12,000.

Religious schools also get taxpayer funding in most other provinces. Ontario is the exception while NL managed to merge into one public system.

It is one huge political hot potato - the new "third rail" here in ON.

[kootenayguy9]

Originally Posted by flip

Sorry but that is crap. On grade 12 diploma exams (the only ones that count) Catholic schools kill public schools.

I didn't realize our jobs as teachers is to teach to one test in Grade 12.

Comparing the Public versus the Seperate system is comparing Apples to Oranges as the Seperate system does not have to allow students in their schools compared to the public system.

[kootenayguy9]

[quote=psicodude;1453262]Purely made-up crap, and yes, I work for the Catholic System quote]

I should stated in my post that I work for a school in the CBE that is a program of choice that is unavailable in the Catholic System. That is the reason why we have many students applying to come to our school from the Seperate Board.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by flip

That and Catholic schools are safer and constantly score significantly higher in all aspects of standardized testing

source?

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Locke

The Catholic school system was a guarantee that was placed in the articles of confederation when Alberta joined Canada.

Not going to change.

Does it cost more? Probably, but I also think giving people options is a bonus.

In high school my Religion Teacher was my Rugby coach...just a little Locke trivia for you there...

I had a CO in the army that was a religion teacher.....just a little trivia for you.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by guzzy

The thing with that is the country was founded on Christian beliefs so I believe the way it is set up works well for everyone. Those who disagree can leave the country.....

I disagree....should I leave the country......?

As an aside what have you done for the country?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by kootenayguy9

I didn't realize our jobs as teachers is to teach to one test in Grade 12.

Comparing the Public versus the Seperate system is comparing Apples to Oranges as the Seperate system does not have to allow students in their schools compared to the public system.

Nice backpeddling.

Care to expalin the descrepancy between your claim that the CBE beats the CSSB in standardized testing, and the actual data?

[kootenayguy9]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Nice backpeddling.

Care to expalin the descrepancy between your claim that the CBE beats the CSSB in standardized testing, and the actual data?

I again ask the question. Is standardized testing the end all be all. I know for example it is relatively easy to schew the data. For example lets say you are a Physics 30 teacher and you have 25 students in your class to start the semester. You decide to give out really, really hard tests at the beginning of the course and many of these students you have in your class are failing miserably so they decide to drop your class for something easier. You end up with 7 students and they do wonderfully on the Diploma Exam. Would that make you a great teacher because your standardized tests have such a high score. Ponder that for a minute...........

[FlamesAddiction]

I went to Catholic school until grade 10 at which point I opted to go to the public high school. I don't think it was anything personal, it's just that most of my friends went to the public high school..

As for the quality of the education, I would have to say that I honestly feel that the Catholic high school was better, but in general, I would say that it had more to do with smaller class room sizes and less tolerance for bratty classroom behaviour. It had nothing to do with the abilities of the teachers or intelligence of the students, althoug one thing I noticed when I took science and in grade 10 at the public school, most of it was already covered in grade 8 and 9 at the Catholic school.

On the other side of the coin, the public high school had WAY MORE in terms of arts, sports and technical facilities. The Catholic school could not compete in those areas. I remember going to the public high school and being amazed that they had things like film cameras in art class, video editing machines, more than one drum set for music, and new computers...

I'm not sure about Catholic schools being safer though... At least in the town I grew up in, the Catholic school was where they sent all the juvenile delinquents from group homes. I would bet there was way more extra-curricular crime from students at the Catholic school than the public, although a lot of them weren't there because they were Catholic and had those tendencies before they went to school there.

[Ayrahb]

How about adding an atheist school system or a charter school?

I would love to have my kids go to a school that has no religious content in their curriculum or any other activity. And, no, CBE does not qualify as they do fail to provide such an environment.

FTR, I am not an atheist.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by kootenayguy9

I again ask the question. Is standardized testing the end all be all. I know for example it is relatively easy to schew the data. For example lets say you are a Physics 30 teacher and you have 25 students in your class to start the semester. You decide to give out really, really hard tests at the beginning of the course and many of these students you have in your class are failing miserably so they decide to drop your class for something easier. You end up with 7 students and they do wonderfully on the Diploma Exam. Would that make you a great teacher because your standardized tests have such a high score. Ponder that for a minute...........

Again nice backpeddling, but flawed logic at best.

The standardized tests in grades 3,6,9 are for all students are they not? Pretty tough for a teacher to schew those results by making kids drop out of math in grade 6 is it not?

Then there's your example. Again correct me if I'm wrong (But I'm fairly certain I'm not), but the diploma exams are administered to everyone who is graduating and to do that you have to take two sciences, math, english, social. How is a teacher supposed to weed out the kids who will make their results terrible if those kids are to graduate?

It also seems to me that CBE teachers could do the same thing, so by saying something like what you did are you implying that CSSB teachers are intentionlly ensuring kids aren't graduating, because if that's the case I'd like to see the graduation rates for the CBE and the CSSB.

Finally, I'll ask again, why the discrepency between your cliam that the CBE was doing better in standardized testing than the CSSB and the actual data. Furthermore, why use it as an exampley of why the CBE (an organization that you work for) is better if you don't belive it is valid?

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Ayrahb

How about adding an atheist school system or a charter school?

I would love to have my kids go to a school that has no religious content in their curriculum or any other activity. And, no, CBE does not qualify as they do fail to provide such an environment.

FTR, I am not an atheist.

FTR, I am an atheist, but I strongly disagree with the bolded sentence. Learning about the beliefs and cultures of the world's many religions is an incredibly important part of teaching history and social studies. My only objection would be if religious myths were taught as if they were factual or if creationism and other non-scientific nonsense became part of the science curriculum.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ayrahb

How about adding an atheist school system or a charter school?

I would love to have my kids go to a school that has no religious content in their curriculum or any other activity. And, no, CBE does not qualify as they do fail to provide such an environment.

FTR, I am not an atheist.

There is a difference between Atheism and Ignorance. I think every school should teach the basic and fundamental concepts of every religion.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Locke

There is a difference between Atheism and Ignorance. I think every school should teach the basic and fundamental concepts of every religion.

The problem is how do you define "every religion". The world is nuts....with lots of different sub-sets of religion.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

The problem is how do you define "every religion". The world is nuts....with lots of different sub-sets of religion.

I get that, but I think its important that everyone understands at the very least the general idea, I'm talking broad strokes here, about most of the world's major religions.

Its important to know if you have to deal with people.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by Locke

There is a difference between Atheism and Ignorance. I think every school should teach the basic and fundamental concepts of every religion.

Well put.

Goes back to the old debate about teaching creationism in public schools. Anything that we hold back from our kids only further's their ignorance.

Education should always be as comprehensive and in-depth as possible (within the constraints of the system and resources of course).

I would like to see every child get taught the difference between belief/faith and knowledge, understand the differences in most of the major religions, and be able to recognise where religious tradition ends and cultural habit begins.

To hear an Athiest scream and moan about having their child exposed to religion garners no more sympathy from me then a Christian parent complaining about evolution. Both science and religion are VITAL components to our society. To teach one at the ignorace of the other would be awful.

To sum it up, the Catholic school system offers a more rounded education then the CBE currently.

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Originally Posted by llama64

To sum it up, the Catholic school system offers a more rounded education then the CBE currently.

hmmm why? Does the catholic system teach all religions?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

hmmm why? Does the catholic system teach all religions?

As a matter of fact they do, at least they did when I was there.
For the most part religon classes at the high school level focus a great deal more on other religions and the similarities/differences between Catholicism and the others.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

As a matter of fact they do, at least they did when I was there.
For the most part religon classes at the high school level focus a great deal more on other religions and the similarities/differences between Catholicism and the others.

But do they discuss the possibility that all of it may be wrong....that there is no "god" et al.

[guzzy]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

I disagree....should I leave the country......?

As an aside what have you done for the country?

It's not what I have done but what I haven't done. I would never ask the country to change because of my beliefs. I believe that those that come here and try to change the way we have been doing things for over 100 years can all go home. If you don't like it...leave. Don't change the country for those who come here and don't agree with the way we run OUR country. They came here to change their lives for the better. Why are they trying to change our lives because they don't believe in the way we do things?