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mojofone · 10-01-2010, 04:30 PM

REDVAN · 10-01-2010, 05:57 PM

Do geo's take the same test as engineers?

ratech · 10-01-2010, 06:38 PM

It's more common sense than anything in my opinion. I skimmed over the material the night before and got by. You will be fine.

hixxes · 10-01-2010, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by REDVAN

Do geo's take the same test as engineers?

Yup.

Much the same as a few others, I crammed the weekend before and passed. I could see the exam being much more difficult if english wasn't my first language though.

GGG · 10-02-2010, 08:22 AM

If English is your first language you should pass without studying. Other then some very brief reading through the act and the basic definitions of Tort and the copyright trademark stuff nothing else really helps.

I would not bother reading the Ethics book at all. It contains nothing of value to helping you right the test. The law book if you get through the first two chapters you should be fine.

I think it tests your ability to write multiple choice exams more so than any knowledge. You need to know the key difference between the answers like "Always, Usually, Probably, Will, Is," and all the other words that subtly change the meaning of the answers.

So if you are a good test writer then you will pass if not it may be more difficult. Also when you leave you will have no idea how you did on the test. In Uni I always was able to predict my test results within +/- 5%. For this test I would have had a +/-25% confidence in my result.

shawi · 09-19-2012, 09:32 AM

Greetings,
This my first contribution ,
I have got the official material
Practical Law of Architecture, Engineering, and Geoscience, 2nd Canadian Edition by Brian M. Samuels & Doug R. Sanders
Canadian Professional Engineer and Geoscience Practice and Ethics, 4th Edition by Gordon C. Andrews

But I am looking for past exams material if any, all links above lead to the same lecture .

but no real source of past exam material.

Regorium · 09-19-2012, 09:40 AM

They take all the exams back and if I remember properly you had to sign something saying you won't discuss what's on the exam. I'm sure some people have managed to smuggle some out, but it'll be harder to find and it'll really depend on who you know.

Spuds_Buckley · 09-19-2012, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GGG

If English is your first language you should pass without studying.

I failed the first time I wrote it

I spent way too much time reading the law book cover to cover, then was burnt out and didn't focus enough on the rest of the material.

There are a lot of questions that have seemingly more than one right answer... the trick is to pick the BEST answer.

Once I figured that out, the 2nd time was much easier and I passed.

Good luck!

kevman · 09-19-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Marvelous

Everyone I know that crammed the night before had to rewrite that exam.

Really? I've still yet to meet someone that's managed to fail. The ongoing joke when my buddies were going through it was who would be the first to fail. Turns out nobody managed to fail despite us all having questionable work habits. 2 hours of reviewing a few of the important case studies is all you really need I reckon.

This is how I seem to recall the questions going down:

You see someone in your company stamping something questionable that could put the public safety at risk. Do you...
a) Say nothing - it's not your problem.
b) Pretend you didn't see it - ignorance is bliss.
c) Trust they're right and assume you're wrong since you probably don't know any better.
d) Not not ignore the issue and don't forget to not suggest it be corrected.
e) Confront them and their manager and suggest the work be redone to ensure the safety of all.

Long story short, watch for double negatives and use common sense...

Frequitude · 09-19-2012, 02:47 PM

Skim through all the material to sharpen your instincts when reading the questions. No need to memorize everything. Its more about common sense and being good at multiple choice than it is about absorbing all the material.

Sr. Mints · 09-19-2012, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kevman

This is how I seem to recall the questions going down:

You see someone in your company stamping something questionable that could put the public safety at risk. Do you...
a) Say nothing - it's not your problem.
b) Pretend you didn't see it - ignorance is bliss.
c) Trust they're right and assume you're wrong since you probably don't know any better.
d) Not not ignore the issue and don't forget to not suggest it be corrected.
e) Confront them and their manager and suggest the work be redone to ensure the safety of all.

f) Trick them into laying their head on the photocopier, then smash the lid on them for creating extra work for you with this scenario.

Wormius · 09-19-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sr. Mints

f) Trick them into laying their head on the photocopier, then smash the lid on them for creating extra work for you with this scenario.

Where has all the love for good old fashioned blackmail gone? It's all about the violence.. I blame video games.

Apparently though APEGA has stream-lined everything, so it's probably impossible for your references to disqualify you.

And the lame government took away our (well everybody's, really) passport-signing privilege. I didn't even get to sign a single one.

*grumble*

FlameOn · 09-19-2012, 03:12 PM

Exam wasn't too hard, I've only heard of one person failing so far aside from the posts above.

Make lots of short form notes as your going so you don't have to re-read any of the material. Otherwise like others said, its mostly reading comprehension and applying basic concepts from some of the case studies. Mind you this was a couple of years ago now and I heard rumours they revamped the exam. I didn't bother reading the law textbook at all and it seemed ok.

shawi · 09-19-2012, 06:44 PM

Dear All,

Thank you for your contributions.
I understand that the fact is, there is no past exams on the web.
OK. no problem,

I got your different ways of study and preparing your exams.

I have done it with the first book, the ethics, page 1 to last.
and the second on the way, got the notes aside, short notes and with page numbers in order to refer to if needed.

I have the hope! since i have done my part.

Wish you all very good luck, and thank you for your response.

Regards,

Wormius · 09-19-2012, 07:44 PM

Don't forget the material on trademarks and other stuff besides the books. Memorize the stuff like when trademarks, copyrights, etc expire. There are a few questions about that.

shawi · 09-19-2012, 09:45 PM

I found that the practical low book is better in illustrating the subject and the questions at the end of each chapter ( stick the data in the brain).
do you agree

OffsideSpecialist · 09-19-2012, 09:58 PM

I'll be in this position in several years, I was wondering, will I have to write a test every time I move to a new province?

Wormius · 09-19-2012, 10:28 PM

No. I think you just apply to transfer your membership. PD points might be different, so could take you longer to qualify.

What would be a pain is if you wanted to move to the states, where they really test you before you can be a P.Eng.

shawi · 09-20-2012, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OffsideSpecialist

I'll be in this position in several years, I was wondering, will I have to write a test every time I move to a new province?

According to one of the solved examples in the low book:

an engineer designing a project from an offices in Novasco. to be done in Alberta, but the parts are manufactured in Ontario and he has to go and inspect it there.
The answer says he has to have license in the three provinces.

And according to my understanding from the ethics book, you have to apply in each province of the other two to be licensed since you have got licensed in the first one, where fee has to be paid and some paper work and they have to make sure that you know the differences in the other province ethics and lows.if there is any.

KTown · 09-20-2012, 12:22 PM

I'm also writing the exam in October. This is good feedback from people cause I haven't even opened my box with the textbooks in it and was starting to get a little worried. It's been a good doorstop to date.