Calgary post-secondaries get $425 M

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by guzzy

Good for you pal and the others who want me to shove it..stop pouting. I don't really care.

This is a message board where people voice opinions right? Key word being "opinions"

I have a friend in civil engineering who will graduate this year...in 4 years. I understand that some courses are difficult to graduate in 4 years but the OP's original statement seemed to blame the U of C and not the student. I definitely think it is a combination of scheduling and self-responsibility. I know I don't have the discipline to be able to finish in 4 years. The difference is I would blame myself before blaming the govt or a college.

That's the thing though, it wasn't much of an opinion. It was more of a false statement. I was the OP, and I am blaming the U of C.

Engineering is also the least flexible degree. You only get 2 or 3 electives throughout your 4 years. Your path is pretty much set and so its easy for the Engineering faculty to set the courses. So long as you don't fail a course, its a slam dunk to finish in 4 years.

The arts and social sciences are a different story though. There's so many different paths you can take, and the U of C hasn't done an adequate job of making some paths possible in 4 years. They've gone so far as to recognize their failure wit this new program.

[Ducay]

I'm a business student and despite what you guys may think, our funding has nothing to do with it. The sheer number of courses needed, prereqs, and lack of space make it nearly impossible to graduate in 4 years.

That said, I am graduating in 4 years, but thats due to some amazing luck of mine at scheduling time, most others aren't so lucky.

And Frequitude hit the nail on the head, engineering is basically a set block, if you're an engineer, your 4 years are pretty much set before you get started. For business, arts (lol), and other degrees, there are a lot more elective classes, which makes things much more complicated.

[guzzy]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

That's the thing though, it wasn't much of an opinion. It was more of a false statement. I was the OP, and I am blaming the U of C.

Engineering is also the least flexible degree. You only get 2 or 3 electives throughout your 4 years. Your path is pretty much set and so its easy for the Engineering faculty to set the courses. So long as you don't fail a course, its a slam dunk to finish in 4 years.

The arts and social sciences are a different story though. There's so many different paths you can take, and the U of C hasn't done an adequate job of making some paths possible in 4 years. They've gone so far as to recognize their failure wit this new program.

Fair enough and in many cases, like yours, I believe what you are saying. I am also saying there are other reasons. Arts and social sciences are such vague programs that is hard to stay on top of things like that. The U of C has excellent Engineering and Business programs that are highly recognized and unfortunately, for people like yourself, that means more money and emphasis on those two programs and less for others. I imagine they realize that their other programs aren't graded high on a nationall level and to that would cost billions. They would rather put the money where the recognition is.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by guzzy

Fair enough and in many cases, like yours, I believe what you are saying. I am also saying there are other reasons. Arts and social sciences are such vague programs that is hard to stay on top of things like that. The U of C has excellent Engineering and Business programs that are highly recognized and unfortunately, for people like yourself, that means more money and emphasis on those two programs and less for others. I imagine they realize that their other programs aren't graded high on a nationall level and to that would cost billions. They would rather put the money where the recognition is.

For the Nth time, business has the same issues as all the other departments. Engineering does not because it has a set course list, nothing to do with funding.

How many times does it have to be said to get through to you?

[Dan02]

Well of all the people i socialized with in the Comp Sci department(admittedly not the super nerdy bunch) I can count the number of people that i recalling finishing in 4 years(fall/winter courses only) on 1 finger. Sometimes the problem was a winter course had 2 pre reqs both of which were offered in fall but had conflicting times/labs etc. In the senior level courses, a course wouldn't be offered the next year after you had met the pre reqs. Alot of the problems boiled down to basically once you reached the 400 level most courses were only offered once per year and quite often there were conflicts between certain courses you wanted to take.

[guzzy]

Originally Posted by Ducay

For the Nth time, business has the same issues as all the other departments. Engineering does not because it has a set course list, nothing to do with funding.

How many times does it have to be said to get through to you?

settle down you're acting like a child. Big bold letters don't get the point across any better. It just makes me think you have a drama queen. Sorry Diva, I haven't seen business listed once let alone NTH degree. Did someone piss in your cornflakes?

My point was that U of C business is one of the best in the country, therefore, I FIGURED, it was better funded and therefore easier to register for classes. Not once have i said that i know everything, or anything about the U of C.

Get over yourself.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by guzzy

Not once have i said that i know everything, or anything about the U of C.

Most people that don't know anything about a subject keep their opinions to themselves. How refreshing that you don't feel yourself limited in this way!

[guzzy]

Originally Posted by jammies

Most people that don't know anything about a subject keep their opinions to themselves. How refreshing that you don't feel yourself limited in this way!

My original opinion was that people cannot blame their problems solely on the U of C. There is also the acceptance of self-responsibilty was the point I was trying to make. I have stated all along that I realize that sometimes there are other extrenuating circumstances but the University isn't the only factor to blame. I didn't realize how many courses were lacking thus making it difficult to finish a lot of programs in 4 years. I thank the posters in this thread that brought that point to my attention without attacking me. At least I can say I came on here and learnt something instead of coming on here to attack others.

Thanks for jumping in at the end on something you obviously knew nothing about.......hypocritical much?

[Locke]

Here is the letter sent to me by the Haskayne registrar's office:

Dear Students,

We are aware of the concerns regarding our course offerings for this
academic year. The demand for our upper-division courses in a number of
areas was unforeseen. As you know, Haskayne does not place caps on how
many students may choose the majority of our concentrations. As well,
changes to concentrations can be made throughout a student’s time at
Haskayne. As such, the unexpected number of students in certain
concentrations combined with our timeline for scheduling courses has led
to these problems.

We understand the frustration and concern that this has presented to a
number of you. Please know that we are working on these issues now for
Winter 2009 and beyond.

We are working at analyzing the expected enrollment numbers and will
better meet your needs in the future. While we are likely unable to give
you the exact course at the exact time and day that you may want, we will
strive to assure that courses you need to continue towards graduation are
available.

Heres a quick translation: You're screwed this year, but maybe in 5 years or so we might address the situation.