This new 'round' of Gang Violence...

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by fotze

If a bullet in the brain pf you and all your friends isn't a deterrent what is another 10 years.

I'm not thinking deterrant in this case, I'm thinking hard back breaking labor and daily finger crushing for 20 years so that they can't pick up a gun.

and in the case of gang violence its more about protecting the general public then trying the rehabilitate these thugs.

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by ShaolinFlame

If you can get something illegal and not know its exact origin, chances are a gang made a profit somewhere along said items path.

That goes for most things that are illegal. You're indirectly or directly supporting these people if you're buying illegal drugs (including weed), stolen goods, or partaking in hookers and blow.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by ShaolinFlame

There have been gangs as long as there have been cities. They aren't there to fight about "cred", it is usually about drugs (and the associated territories), money laundering, and debt.

And I'm sure Flin Flon has some sort of gang connection, whether in town, or in the people who supply the drugs to those who sell them in town.

If you can get something illegal and not know its exact origin, chances are a gang made a profit somewhere along said items path.

I am just a very firm believer that Organized Crime will always exist, so it is better to have a professional organization (like HA or even the Italian Mob) than a bunch of clowns from some lawless SE Asian country who think it ok to shoot up restaurants and crowded streets. When the HA take care of business, nobody outside the HA and maybe some elite Gang Police units know what happened.

I know gangs aren't fighting for street cred, they're fighting for control of drug territory, etc. and through that comes the street cred. That's fairly obvious. But if one gang doesn't respond to the other's actions, they lose credibility within their own little world. It's all about showmanship with these guys, trust me. They have a mantra to respond until the business is somehow finished. It's what you're seeing right now in the news.

The Flin Flon example was just about the silliness of the JAPANESE Yakuza being in an obscure town, nothing more.

Oh and to everybody, btw... what's the HA? I'm having a hard time figuring out who these guys are here, I'm at a loss.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Muta

I know gangs aren't fighting for street cred, they're fighting for control of drug territory, etc. and through that comes the street cred. That's fairly obvious. But if one gang doesn't respond to the other's actions, they lose credibility within their own little world. It's all about showmanship with these guys, trust me. They have a mantra to resopnd until the business is somehow finished. It's what you're seeing right now in the news.

The Flin Flon example was just about the silliness of the JAPANESE Yakuza being in an obscure town, nothing more.

Oh and to everybody, btw... what's the HA? I'm having a hard time figuring out who these guys are here, I'm at a loss.

Only the best gang evar. Hells Angels.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Locke

Only the best gang evar. Hells Angels.

D'OH... I knew that.

[Vena]

It's something to be concerned with, for sure. Even if these gangs are targetting each other, there is always the possibility that an innocent bystand could get hit.

Their behavior and/or existence whether inevietable is unacceptable in our society. To get complacent say that it doesn't matter is stupid because is a tacit acceptance of their actions. We should do all we can to eliminate/limit these gangs existence.

Although it might not effect most of us, I'm sure we'd all be upset if a relative or someone close to somehow got involved in with these people.

EDIT: I can't spell.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by worth

Let them all kill each other for all I care.

They never do. They aren't brave enough or smart enough to finish it or the police step in and actually arrest everyone. Not since Al Capone has any gang truly wiped out another. The Biker wars in Quebec may be another but I think they just drove the losers out.

[ShaolinFlame]

Originally Posted by Locke

Only the best gang evar. Hells Angels.

I'm pretty much done with this thread, but that just made me burst out laughing.

My point was a little exaggerated, and while it is true that the HA and other motorcycle gangs do some terrible stuff (trafficking women is a good example), they do not show as much disregard towards the innocent public (when it comes to gun violence) that many SE Asian gangs choose to do.

They HA also much less frequently kill people at clubs or bars for minor altercations. They are less about the Bravado, and more the 'Get Important stuff done' types. They better understand legal ramifications of their actions, and usually only take extreme types of measures only when they feel it is extremely justified. You won't see very many HA members getting charged with murder over a spilled drink or a scuffed tread. This could also be a reason why HA related murders hurt the public less. They almost always have motive that presented the time to plan for actions that are proffessional (and by that I mean quiet).

Once again, not saying they are good, just saying that I believe they are the lesser of two evils, one of which is going to exist regardless. Don't get on the bad side of either.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by KTrain

That goes for most things that are illegal. You're indirectly or directly supporting these people if you're buying illegal drugs (including weed), stolen goods, or partaking in hookers and blow.

And for the most part that's the governments fault for playing "better than thou" and pushing stupid things underground like prostitution and pot. Goto Amsterdam and see if they have this kind of gang violence. And now they want to push hemp shops out, well where do you think people will go? Seriously! There was just a report about 2 kids smoking out of a skull in an area where hemp shops aren't allowed. Now, these kids may have taking "underground" to an extreme but it's most certainly the governments doing for not taking these things and regulating them like they do with alcohol and cigarettes.

[Clarkey]

The city should sponsor a free target shooting training program.

[sadora]

My only concern with this is that while they are targeting each other, it's only a matter of time before an innocent bystander gets in the way of gunfire.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by sadora

My only concern with this is that while they are targeting each other, it's only a matter of time before an innocent bystander gets in the way of gunfire.

Very, very true. And probably already has happened.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by fotze

If a bullet in the brain pf you and all your friends isn't a deterrent what is another 10 years.

I don't think the probelm is with the maximum possible sentence that one can receive. Many of the actions and crimes that these thugs perpetrate could land them in jail for a long time. The problem being, the judges in this wonderful criminal justice system of ours never sentence anyone to the max and if they do, Corrections Canada lets them out before they have even come close to finishing their sentence.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I don't think the probelm is with the maximum possible sentence that one can receive. Many of the actions and crimes that these thugs perpetrate could land them in jail for a long time. The problem being, the judges in this wonderful criminal justice system of ours never sentence anyone to the max and if they do, Corrections Canada lets them out before they have even come close to finishing their sentence.

Yup. The guy who was found dead in Chinatown over the weekend was a convicted killer sentenced to life, but out on parole.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Very, very true. And probably already has happened.

In an article in the Herald this weekend it reviewed all of the killings and there was a guy who was not involved in the gang activity...although he was in a vehicle that earlier that night had a target in it. Maybe this is not quite far enough away from the activity to be considered an innocent bystander, but sad nonetheless.

[OzSome]

I am concern alright because I don't want myself, any of my families or friends to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't care if those gangs are killing each other but I am just afraid that an innocent bystanders get killed because their stupidities.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by fotze

Do you really believe that a guy with a gun in his hand, a weapon he is about to KILL someone with, is thinking If I kill this guy I will go to jail for 12 years, but since the system will only convict me for 7 years, I'm going to do it.

Not sure why this is being directed at me. I was agreeing with you that the punishments set already are mostly sufficent, the problem lies within the criminal justice system ie; the judges and Corrections Canada.

One thing that could be changed is implementing more minimum sentences.

[monkeyman]

The violence itself doesn’t scare me, what does scare the crap out of me are the things driving this violence. Drugs, prostitution, id theft… There’s a lot of money in Calgary and a lot of money to be made illegally by preying on us, on our families. Some of these gangs are so organized and savy, they know exactly how to target our weakest points and our most vulnerable.
Maybe it’s because I’m a father, but these things do scare me.

[Ozy_Flame]

Wow, after today's Greyhound disaster, I don't think any Calgary gang killing could curdle my blood.

What is this world coming to? I think the Terminator said it best - "it is in our nature to destroy ourselves." At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised...

[troutman]

Legalize hookers and blow - put gangs out of business?

I suppose they will find other rackets to run.