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Old 07-09-2008, 11:27 AM   #21
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I have a friend that works at golf town and got me huge discounts but anyways I tried pretty much every iron they had out there. The best ones for me were the Titlest AP1 (i think) and the Mizuno Mx-900. I hit farther with the Titlests but not as straight so I opted for the Mizunos.

My old big berthas are really good clubs, but the new ones I can't hit as well anymore
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Old 07-09-2008, 11:29 AM   #22
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I'm too old fashioned for the new clubs. I'll stick with my 690 mbs and my 983e. Yes, I am a titleist whore.
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:19 PM   #23
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He (Rod) broke his arm playing slopitch two weeks ago..... I jested that now he has the chance to beat me "with one arm tied behind his back"... joke is backfiring... we are going out tomorrow, and I think he actually can beat me with one arm!
<Hangs head in shame....>

Fun round today.... and yes... Rod beat me... by one stroke.
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Old 07-09-2008, 07:31 PM   #24
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Here's my ex-pro speech.

Clubs have come a long way in the last 15 years.

I'd suggest if you make a proper decision, you will improve your game immediately.
Look for game improvement clubs, (think periferial weighted).
You want to find something that has the weight at the bottom and around the toe and heel, this will help with off center hits.
For slicers...look for something OFFSET, it may help you square your clubhead up easier to help that slice.
(protip, if you slice... your clubface is OPEN at impact and chances are you swing on an outside to in path, try your damndest to hit the ball from the inside and it will help, maybe not in the short term, but trust me that's what you need to do).

I'd suggest head out to a club in the city that has a range with demo product, and try a few sets of iron's or woods and see what works for you.
If you feel that the "trying out" was worth it, work something out with the club pro, usually they'll match any in town retailer. If you have no soul (just kidding), pick what you want and search for it on EBAY and save a ton. Only risk being sometimes difficult to get service should you have any issues. Also, be aware that ebay is full of almost perfect forgeries, especially drivers.
check this link for last years hot list and look for these deals on ebay this year...
http://www.golfdigest.com/equipment/...Hot_List_index

If you find a respected seller you will save, mostly if you look for last year or older models, the savings are unbelievable.

If I was you, I'd look for a set of clubs that goes 4 or 5-PW and get one or two hybrids...that way you'll get the most forgiveness for your buck.
Spend some extra dough on a good wedge(s) and a putter.
I know it's all about the driver, but if you want to take your buddies cash...spend yours first on the putter and SW and learn how to use them.
then go get your big sticks.

My opinion on "custom clubs"...
not a fan.

Can they work for you...yes...are they great for the less than 5 times a year golfer...yes.

Would I buy them when you can get great brand name clubs on ebay for same money...hells no.

Do custom "golfsmiths" help tune equipment for you swing...yes.
Should you at least make sure you get fitted for proper lie angle...YES.

Put it this way...I don't know a single low digit hadicap player who has knock off clubs...just my opinion though.

Hope this helps!
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Old 07-09-2008, 08:37 PM   #25
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Go to Golf Town or Nevada Bob's and check your own swing.

If you buy Ping clubs, you need to be custom-fitted for them but otherwise, just take a whole bunch of diffferent clubs, get 'em taped up and try them. It's only by swinging a dozen times yourself will you really get a feel whether you prefer a stiff flex/normal flex, or graphite shafts/steel shafts.

I just recently purchased the whole set of Nike Sasquatch Sumo2's - Nevada Bob's didn't have the graphite shafts set on hand though, just one or two clubs. however, I liked the graphite a lot better (more feel for working the ball IMO) so they were able to order it for me. But if I hadn't tried them I wouldn't have known.

Also I bought square-faced drivers (the Sumo2s) as they help me square up the club (no pun intended) to the ball at impact and reduce any sidespin. It could be different for you though.

Also I have four hybrids in the bag - since you are a high handicap I would highly recommend them. The bigger sweet spot just allows you to make solid contact all the time whereas sometimes your low irons wouldn't. Go try some out.
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Old 07-10-2008, 10:51 AM   #26
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Hello All,
I was informed of this thread by my friend Shawnsky.
I am a Professional Certified Golf Club Maker and Fitter.
www.foreyourgame.ca (still under some construction)

Anyway, I thought I would chime in on this conversation with my opinions. Now where to begin.

OEM Clubs (Callaway, Nike, etc): There is nothing wrong with these clubs. The heads are top quality. Sometimes the shafts are a little questionable, but they are using higher quality shafts all the time. One of the biggest thing about these is the mass production for what they see as the average golfer. They have been making their clubs longer and longer all the time. Yes this helps you hit a 7 iron further, but less consistantly. The other thing is their custom fitting process. When a 16 year old from GolfTown fits you for your $1000 set of Nike irons, what does he do. He looks at your swing speed and says Stiff or Regular based solely on that. They he tells you what length you should play. 1/2" over Std, 1/2" under standard etc. He bases this most often on your height and sometimes takes into account your finger to floor measurement. What standard is he basing this on? He doesn't know the difference in standard length between Nike and Callaway. And most likely their standard length is lots long enough for almost everyone. Then he measures lie angle. He probably does not take into account his length recommendation though which hugely affects the lie angle. Then he orders your clubs. X18 - 1/2" over length - Stiff Steel Shaft - 2 degrees upright - Midsize grip. Then the big question is what you get. Are all your lofts accurate? How about he flex. Is it consistent throughout the set. I can almost guarantee this is not consistent. (Callaway for instance only has one flex steel shaft. They think it should fit everyone) Is the lie angle exactly as requested on every club? I don't want to bash OEM, because for the most part, they do not claim to be perfect. And as I said, they are good quality components, but they are still just components until someone puts them together.

Now let's talk about Component Clubs. They are called this because someone like myself takes a head, shaft and grip and puts them all together. This is the same very basic process as OEMs. There are very different qualities of Component products. There are very low end "knock offs". They look like an OEM club, but are make of questionable material, and are not very consistent. These are very inexpensive. The next would be clubs that look like an OEM, but are made of top quality material and are very consistent. These are more expensive, but just as good quality as an OEM head. Then there are component heads that are not "knock offs" or look a likes. These are heads that have their own unique design and are made out of the absolute best quality materials. (ie. Wishon, SMT etc) These are more expensive than the other 2 options, but are at least as good as the OEM products. This is primarily the quality of product that I choose to build with.

How the shafts. Most OEM manufactures use shafts that are inexpensive for them.
The steel shafts are mostly the same as I'd use, but graphite shafts can be a different story. I am a UST Tour Shop. This means I have access to all models of UST shafts. The biggest thing to know is that when Titleist builds a driver, they plunk in a shaft that says "S" (stiff) on it. They don't measure it to make sure it is stiff. It very well may not be. There is no standard in the industry as to what stiff even is. Your stiff may be the same as your buddies Regular, or even you wife's Ladies shaft. You just never know, and neither does the OEM. The shaft is by far the most important part of every club. Ot is the engine and if it doesn't run properly, you are constantly trying to adjust your natural swing to accomodate.

Now comes the fitting. I have already touched on the questionable fitting you get at a retail location. A professional club fitter will take into account your swing speed and TEMPO when making a flex and torque recommendation. When recommending length, it is far more important to make consistent contact in the centre of the face than it is to match your finger tip to floor measurement. Total yards off the tee is not nearly as important as net yards. (Total yards - Deviation from target lone = Net Yards). Lie angle is next and probably most important. Most people don't know however that it is more important in your wedges than it is in your long irons. Then grip. There is a specific way to measure how big of a grip to use, but more importantly is feel and desired shot pattern. A smaller grip will promote a draw, where a bigger grip will promote a fade.

Finally the building process. A good Club Maker will custom make every club to your exact specifications. If it is determined that you need a five iron with 28 degree of loft - 58 degree lie - and flexes at 267 cpm, then that is EXACTLY what you get. Zero room for deviation. He builds all clubs based on his training and experience. For example, I am the only True Temper " Black Gold" Certified Club Maker in western Canada. I know exactly how to build these. Or I know from experience that UST shafts are generally stiffer than most other brands. O take this knowledge into account when building.

OK, I am very tired of writing this, so I will end with this.

Are component clubs the way to go. I say yes absolutely. Why does Tiger play Nike? Because they pay him a billion dollars, and he doesn't play with stuff off the rack. His clubs are professionally fitted and build the same as I would do. If you want to play OEM clubs because of the name, that is fine. There is nothing wrong with wanting that perceived stature, but call it what it is. Remember, the ball doesn't know that you are using Nike. If you do want OEM, you should spend a few bucks to get fit correctly and then order your clubs specifically.

Well that is more than my 2 cents. It is more like $2.12.

Anywho, hopefully my opinions help you.

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Old 07-10-2008, 10:52 AM   #27
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duplicate. sorry

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Old 07-10-2008, 10:58 AM   #28
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why don't unsponsored amateurs use custom made knockoffs? If they were actually better, why wouldn't someone use them until they get their big payday?
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Old 07-10-2008, 12:24 PM   #29
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That is a valid question.

My answer is this. If you are an amateur and you are any good, then you are sponsored. Maybe it is only equipment but it is still sponsorship. Basically every golf club pro and assistant pro is sponsored by one of the major manufacturers. For example, Every manager at GolfTown has a club package provided to them by one of the OEMs.

Secondly, just because someone is a good golfer, definitely does not mean that they know about clubs. A racecar driver doesn't know how to build or fix the car, he just drives it. But if he has a great mechanic, he can drive it better, even if he doesn't know it could be any better.

Make sense?

One pro that I can think of off the top of my head is Victor Schwankrug. Not a very well know name, but he is known for being the longest driver on any PGA tour. In 2004, he hit a 429 yard drive during the second round of the Shell Houston Open. He was using an SMT head.

I am curious to know what you think the difference is beyween say Titleist irons and Wishon irons? Do you think it is quality? There are only so many foundries in the world that manufacture clubheads. Do you think that every OEM has there own? They don't. Their clubs are cast or forged in the same foundries as other component heads.

Again, just my opinion.
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Old 07-10-2008, 01:09 PM   #30
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great write up!
and lastly I will say this, I am not planning on turning pro. If I can reduce my handicap from 36 to 26, then mission accomplished. I play for fun and to pour back a few pops.
I dont know about my fellow colleague who started this thread but I suspect he might be in the same boat.
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Old 07-10-2008, 02:24 PM   #31
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I hope you aren't taking what I am saying as an attack on your business or custom clubs in general. In fact, I have never worked with a club maker before. I'm not saying they are worse or better, just that i am skeptical that they are better quality. Certainly, for the price you definately provide an excellent deal for someone looking to get more involved in the game.

Personally, I have only seen a few different sets of blades that i like the look of (which is important) and can consistently strike and control. The Hogan Apex blade was the first one I ever used, after having my old set of DCI 962s stolen. I then switched to the MP30s and finally have settled on the 690 mbs for the last three seasons. What this shows me, is that you have to find a set that is comfortable for you. The best way for me to determine what I am comfortable with is to try a large variety and make comparisons. I don't know what your shop has to offer in competetion, but i certainly wouldn't disregard it because it doesn't say titleist or nike on it.
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Old 07-10-2008, 05:44 PM   #32
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No, I definitely didn't take it as an attack. I hope mine didn't read that way.
I am very passionate about it and know that I could help almost every golfer instantly with a better fit set of sticks.

If you look at www.wishongolf.com you will see their choice of iron heads. I love most of their stuff because #1 it is forged. #2 it is traditional. Thin topline, little to no offset. Anyway, take a look if you want.

Lastly. I have a set of DCI 962 if you want.

Later

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