07-02-2008, 04:10 PM
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#21
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flameswin
The reason is that the English version would sound ######ed if it was directly translated. Is there anyone that wants to translate the French one to English?
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O Canada!
Land of our forefathers
Thy brow is wreathed with a glorious garland of flowers.
As in thy arm ready to wield the sword,
So also is it ready to carry the cross.
Thy history is an epic
Of the most brilliant exploits.
Thy valour steeped in faith
Will protect our homes and our rights
Will protect our homes and our rights.
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07-02-2008, 04:10 PM
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Not the 1 millionth post winnar
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Los Angeles
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It's just a song.
If you are going to get all bent out of shape over symbols rather than what matters, be my guest. I think it's more important to live in a way that brings respect to your country than it does to debate about a few words in a song.
Don't we have more important things to talk about? There's a war on you know...
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07-02-2008, 04:10 PM
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#23
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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This is the French version translated to English...
Canada!
Land of our forefathers
Thy brow is wreathed with a glorious garland of flowers.
As in thy arm ready to wield the sword,
So also is it ready to carry the cross.
Thy history is an epic
Of the most brilliant exploits.
Thy valour steeped in faith
Will protect our homes and our rights
Will protect our homes and our rights.
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07-02-2008, 04:12 PM
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#24
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PowerPlayoffs06
O Canada!
Land of our forefathers
Thy brow is wreathed with a glorious garland of flowers.
As in thy arm ready to wield the sword,
So also is it ready to carry the cross.
Thy history is an epic
Of the most brilliant exploits.
Thy valour steeped in faith
Will protect our homes and our rights
Will protect our homes and our rights.
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That is awesome. Reminds me of lord of the rings or something. I'm in favour of changing the lyrics to this.
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07-02-2008, 04:14 PM
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Norm!
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At some point you have to abide by some traditions, and to me the national anthem of this country is one of those traditions. We can't keep sanitizing every last damn thing that we have because it offends someone. The cause of political correctness goes to far.
If the term god offends you in the national anthem then don't sing it, but stand and show some respect. You think its sexist, who cares thats not the point of this thing.
Eventually as Canadian's we have to stand for something, and preserving a national anthem is one of them.
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07-02-2008, 04:15 PM
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#26
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Norm!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flameswin
This is the French version translated to English...
Canada!
Land of our forefathers
Thy brow is wreathed with a glorious garland of flowers.
As in thy arm ready to wield the sword,
So also is it ready to carry the cross.
Thy history is an epic
Of the most brilliant exploits.
Thy valour steeped in faith
Will protect our homes and our rights
Will protect our homes and our rights.
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i'm offended by this, its so violent and doesn't mention the hardest working mammal in the world, the beaver.
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07-02-2008, 04:15 PM
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#27
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One of the Nine
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Quote:
Originally Posted by troutman
"native land" offends immigrants too
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...ically+correct
http://makepeace.ca/anthem.html
For all those who may object to singing the official words of
the national anthem because they weren’t born here (my home
and native land), aren’t male (in all thy sons command) or
value the separation of church and state (God keep our land)
I offer a more politically correct version:
O Canada!
Our home and cherished land!
True patriot love in all of us command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
Come, keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
Maybe "come" will offend those with E.D.?
Personally, I don't care, in fact, I could do without anthems before sporting events. But, shouldn't a national anthem represent all citizens, not just some of them?
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" all of us command" may offend separatists. Better change that line too.
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07-02-2008, 04:17 PM
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#28
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4X4
"all of us command" may offend separatists. Better change that line too.
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And what about those Canadians that can't stand?
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07-02-2008, 04:19 PM
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#29
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Not the one...
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Isn't "guarding" a touch violent?
How about We Passively Endorse Thee?
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07-02-2008, 04:22 PM
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#30
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As has been noted previously in the thread, the English language translation of the anthem was already changed once, adding the "God keep our land" line where it previously was "O Canada, glorious and free". That change was made, incidentally, by the godless communist leftest atheist Pierre Trudeau.
So in effect, removing the phrase about God would simply be restoring the anthem to its traditional roots.
As an atheist, I don't find the reference to God in the anthem offensive. I can't imagine there are many people who are that sensitive about the issue -- more often than not, you see controversies like this created out of nothing when someone is afraid other people might be offended, whether they actually are or not.
On the other hand, what is grossly offensive is the following, from the preamble of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms:
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Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law
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07-02-2008, 04:22 PM
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#31
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Sec 216
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Quote:
Originally Posted by troutman
Maybe "come" will offend those with E.D.?
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Pure gold!
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07-02-2008, 04:23 PM
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#32
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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The scrooges of the country may feel this line doesn't erpresent who they are.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise
I vote it be changed to "With beating hearts we see the rise"
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07-02-2008, 04:25 PM
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#33
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law
Yeah but that is simply stating what Canada was founded upon, you can't change history, so they can't change that.
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07-02-2008, 04:28 PM
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#34
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: In my office, at the Ministry of Awesome!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flameswin
Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law
Yeah but that is simply stating what Canada was founded upon, you can't change history, so they can't change that.
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Gotta agree with flameswin here.
Like it or not, Canada was founded on the pricipals of guys who thought God was and should be the guiding force of law and morality, and as such those are the pricipals that the Carter should protect, and those are some pretty good pricipals.
Marchhare:
If you'd like to point out exactly which of those pricipals you disagree with, I'll agree that that's an offensive statement.
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07-02-2008, 04:29 PM
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#35
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Scoring Winger
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"True North"... Might offend some of our russian friends...
Personally I could care less about the God part... I can't see other athiests being upset by it either. I can howerver see someone of another religon being upset, same as many christians would be if the words were "Allah keep our land"... Just another example of the bickering created by different religous views, and the things people have to do to avoid thoes conflcts...
Same goes for swearing on the bible...Who cares, I'll swear on whatever they want me to swear on, If someone is gonna lie, they're gonna lie regardless..
Lawyer_01: "DID YOU KILL THAT LADY????"
Murderer_02: "NO...."
Lawyer_01: "You swore on the bible sir"
Murder_02: "Did I?.... Oh That's right I forgot.... Yes I did kill her"...
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Last edited by metal_geek; 05-06-2011 at 12:11 AM.
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07-02-2008, 04:32 PM
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#36
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Franchise Player
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I personally dont give a fart...but
GOD KEEP OUR LAND?
Reference to a god did not appear in any constitution-type document in this country until 1982. Then the phrase “Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God” was arbitrarily inserted. On June 27, 1980, the National Anthem was mysteriously transformed into a prayer with the addition of the phrase “god keep our land. . .” Article XIX of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights holds that “Everyone has a right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference. . . It is certainly interference to use the force of law to compel several million Canadian atheists to join in religious exercises or thoughts through the inclusion of the god references in documents meant for all Canadians. A letter to Justice Minister Alan Rock results in a reply that includes the following: “the Charter applies equally to everyone in Canada and does not advantage or disadvantage anyone on the basis of their religious beliefs.” Mr. Rock apparently excludes about 3 million Canadians who hold no religious beliefs, from the group “everyone”. He does not answer the question as to how atheists should respond to the singing of the National Anthem(prayer), Sit in embarrassed silence? Wait in the hall?
oh and the court thing...I was just on Jury and you dont need to swear on a bible unless you desire to do so. Of the 12 members on my jury 9 decided not to.
Last edited by Cheese; 07-02-2008 at 04:37 PM.
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07-02-2008, 04:37 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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Why does everything have to be politically correct these days?
If one refers to 'God' in the 'O Canada' national anthem, can't people interpret it as their god, whomever that may be, if they even have a god at all? If one doesn't believe in god, then it's still permissible if not for the sole reason that it has historic values where our ancestry was based upon Christian principles. Who cares? That's history, and that's the way it was. Period. This country was not an Islamic/Buddhist/etc. country when the first settlers arrived. It was a Christian belief system. Let's honor and respect the past of this great nation.
It would be a sad day if we lost/changed our anthem's lyrics, too. It's just a friggin' anthem, and anyone who gets psychologically violent over this needs to remember that... there's more important things about being a Canadian than your issue with our national anthem's wording. Lots of things more important.
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07-02-2008, 04:39 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: YSJ (1979-2002) -> YYC (2002-2022) -> YVR (2022-present)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flameswin
Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law
Yeah but that is simply stating what Canada was founded upon, you can't change history, so they can't change that.
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Yes, but this is from the Charter, which came into effect in 1982, not the Constitution Act of 1867. Note that it says Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God", not Canada was founded...
The Canadian Constitution, of which the Charter is an important part, provides the foundation for all laws in Canada, not the "supremacy of God". That line is also clearly at odds with the freedom of conscience and religion granted in Section 2.
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07-02-2008, 04:39 PM
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#39
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One of the Nine
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Quote:
Originally Posted by troutman
And what about those Canadians that can't stand?
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Drunks and handicaps unite against the politically incorrect wording of our anthem!
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07-02-2008, 04:43 PM
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#40
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4X4
Drunks and handicaps unite against the politically incorrect wording of our anthem!
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After a few heroin beers, it is hard to stand for the anthem.
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