Calgary leads country in hate crimes

[FlamesAddiction]

White on non-white racism is likely more common due to the fact white people make up the majority, but...

...from my experience, when a white person does something racist, the whistles usually come out, people call them out (mostly by other white people), the police investigate, people get fired, the newspapers get involved... Well, ok, maybe not all those things every time, but there are still forces at work fighting against it.

When a white person experiences racism, and it happens way more often than many non-white people think, it is usually; "too bad, so sad, you're white and therefore probably deserve it".

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Huh? All I was pointing out was that racism is not only made up of white people being bigots. Did I ever say that whites were never racist? How do I seem like I am in denial? I am just wondering where you got that impression. I was pointing out that it does go both ways.

You tell me that I am wrong as well but then back up your statement with a personal opinion? Come on, give me some statistics that say it is mostly white people at the center of this rather than making blanket statements like I am wrong, or you doubt or you are sure.

Since the beginning of the thread every post of yours seems to have been highly defensive and trying to point out that white people are victimized too. Yes, I agree that happens..but I still don't believe it happens as much as what happens to minorities. And I don't have any numbers on hand to back that up, I'm just taking an educated guess that a society made prodominantly of the "white" race probably has more racism going towards non-whites. Seems logical to me.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

White on non-white racism is likely more common due to the fact white people make up the majority, but...

...from my experience, when a white person does something racist, the whistles usually come out, people call them out (mostly by other white people), the police investigate, people get fired, the newspapers get involved... Well, ok, maybe not all those things every time, but there are still forces at work fighting against it.

When a white person experiences racism, and it happens way more often than many non-white people think, it is usually; "too bad, so sad, you're white and therefore probably deserve it".

That a fair argument, no racism should really be an acceptable practice, I think we can all agree on that. However...given that "white" people are generally the majority, I still see that the level of racism they would have to endure on a general scale as being less than what minorities probably face.

That being said, If a group of black people beat up a white person because of race, it should be reported as a hate crime, definitley.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Igottago

That a fair argument, no racism should really be an acceptable practice, I think we can all agree on that. However...given that "white" people are generally the majority, I still see that the level of racism they would have to endure on a general scale as being less than what minorities probably face.

That being said, If a group of black people beat up a white person because of race, it should be reported as a hate crime, definitley.

Kinda of like that group of kids that went around stabbing homeless people last summer...

[Igottago]

On another note, I wonder how many of these crimes might be related to sexual orientation, not race. One major observation I've made since moving to Vancouver is that public openness towards the gay community is much more acceptable here than it seems to be in Calgary. I've seen gay couples here holding hands kissing in public, while I don't think I ever saw that in Calgary.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Kinda of like that group of kids that went around stabbing homeless people last summer...

That was racially motivated?

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Igottago

That was racially motivated?

The OP was about hate crimes so I think this still qualifies.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Igottago

That was racially motivated?

I dunno. It was one ethnic group on a rampage.
What i do know.
If it was a group of whites on a minority group, it most certainly would of been perceived that way.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

I dunno. It was one ethnic group on a rampage.
What i do know.
If it was a group of whites on a minority group, it most certainly would of been perceived that way.

Well I don't know the details of the story so I was just clarifying. But I guess even homeless people could be classified as a minority, so it could be a hate crime in that regard, or race.

[fatso]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Someone called me a Crackah yesterday. I am pretty offended. I should report that.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Well I don't know the details of the story so I was just clarifying. But I guess even homeless people could be classified as a minority, so it could be a hate crime in that regard, or race.

the homeless people were of a particular group from what i heard.

[FlamesAddiction]

Most white people do know what it feels like to be a monority as there are hundreds of places in Canada where a white person would be considered a minority. Most large cities have neighbourhoods that are dominated by minorities (yes, I see the oxymoron) and where white people are often made less than welcome. In fact, any white person that lives in or visits the northern 3rd of the country, or remote areas, is a "minority". Heck, if I go downtown in Prince George after 9:00 pm, I am a minority.

Declaring a particular group as a "minority" and giving leeway based on that idea is a tricky thing in a country as diverse as Canada. The "majority" is often the minority.

When it comes to institutionalized racism, such as; racist laws, hiring practices, discrimination of services and/or access to capital, then I think the non-white population is defintitely the most abused.... but when it comes to "hate crimes", I tend to think that hate-crimes on white people are under reported and over looked. It's probably still skewed towards non-whites, but I think it's closer than many might think.

[fredr123]

In April we saw a particularly brutal hate crime here in our city against an annoying minority: Oilers fans.

[MaDMaN_26]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It could easily be someones way of creating job security. It would be easy to skew all types of crimes so that they meet hate crime criteria, and if your job depends on there being a lot of hate crimes, I could see how they might relax the criteria.

You are correct, I know a white guy who has a Black wife and they are having a baby... he and his brother were attacked in a bar by a$$holes that happened to be black, although attacked first they won the fight fairly convincingly. The Black guys end up on TV all beaten up claiming it was a racially motivated fight that the white guys started and so he is now charged with a hate crime. He is absolutely not a racist, he fought these guys because they were a$$holes that left him little choice. But he is white and a visible minority abused the "race card" and so now he is charged with a hate crime. I'm pretty sure that counts towards this B.S. statistic. The cops seem to think that he married a black girl and is having a baby with her as all part of a master plan to run rampant with the hate crimes as they are not dropping the charge. Fortunately his wife is level headed sweet girl and knows her hubby is not a racist and they are trying to put it behind them as quickly as possible.

I would also venture that most of the hate crimes in this community are against gays and not racial. We tend to have a lot of Cowboys with redneck opinions... is it a hate crime think Urban Cowboys are idiots... Cause I if so better add another hate crime to the list.

[Ozy_Flame]

Something tells me "hate crime" reported in Calgary is akin to minorities not being allowed into Cowboys and other likeminded bars.......People get hot-headed after being denied entrance, and then proceed to go complain about it.

I'll bet anyone that at least ONE of these 92 incidents are exactly that.

[fatso]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Something tells me "hate crime" reported in Calgary is akin to minorities not being allowed into Cowboys and other likeminded bars.......People get hot-headed after being denied entrance, and then proceed to go complain about it.

I'll bet anyone that at least ONE of these 92 incidents are exactly that.

I'm pretty sure those situations aren't criminal offenses as per the relevant provisions of the Criminal Code. So they wouldn't be counted. I could be wrong though...

In any event, good on you for raising those concerns. Clearly statistical errors or the inclusion of 'non-serious' transgressions are a much more worthy concern here than the other criminal activities legitimately counted.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Igottago

That was racially motivated?

I don't know, was it not racially motivated? Is a group a of white people randomly beating someone who is black racially motivated? You never know.

[jayswin]

I never understand racism in our culture. White people are taken to the cleaners when they're racist (as they should people). It seems there's this general assumption that only white people are racist. The truth is most cultures have just as many racist people, but there seems to be so many white people that either are oblivious to this, or choose to ignore it.

One of my teachers in high school, did a semester teaching English in Japan, and said there were more than a few students who had nasty things to say about "westerners", and it wasn't funny little comments, it was full on hate for people that were different than them.

'Hey that black guy's calling me racial names'. "Well that's okay because he's black and you're white, but you'd better not turnaround and do the same to him, because that would be a hate crime little Jimmy".

[MaDMaN_26]

Originally Posted by fatso

I'm pretty sure those situations aren't criminal offenses as per the relevant provisions of the Criminal Code. So they wouldn't be counted. I could be wrong though...

In any event, good on you for raising those concerns. Clearly statistical errors or the inclusion of 'non-serious' transgressions are a much more worthy concern here than the other criminal activities legitimately counted.

Are you being sarcastic? I honestly am not sure... I think it could be taken that way... and if you are I don't think its warranted. If someone is denied entry based purely on race and they choose to sue or complained and got charges brought up against the ownership I think a discrimination case would or could be counted as a hate crime depending on who's counting. Maybe the more poignant question is what is a hate crime or who defines it... but his example might actually be included in the stats.

Originally Posted by flameswin

I don't know, was it not racially motivated? Is a group a of white people randomly beating someone who is black racially motivated? You never know.

Are those two cops that were video taped abusively arresting the black guy (who happened to be a drug dealing scumbag) being charged with hate crimes?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MaDMaN_26

Are you being sarcastic? I honestly am not sure... I think it could be taken that way... and if you are I don't think its warranted. If someone is denied entry based purely on race and they choose to sue or complained and got charges brought up against the ownership I think a discrimination case would or could be counted as a hate crime depending on who's counting. Maybe the more poignant question is what is a hate crime or who defines it... but his example might actually be included in the stats.



Are those two cops that were video taped abusively arresting the black guy (who happened to be a drug dealing scumbag) being charged with hate crimes?

I would certaintly hope not. They probably should be charged for excessive force.